Closed Bug 112916 Opened 23 years ago Closed 23 years ago

I like the old netscape pointer (mouse cursor/arrow) than the IE one (the hand pointing)

Categories

(SeaMonkey :: UI Design, defect)

Product:
SeaMonkey
Component:
UI Design
Platform:
x86
Windows ME
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
trivial

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
VERIFIED WONTFIX

People

(Reporter: keith, Assigned: paulkchen)

References

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URL
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Details

(Keywords: relnote) 

From Bugzilla Helper:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.6+) Gecko/20011130
BuildID:    20001113003

please make it an option or change the hovering-over-link mouse cursor back :)
besides it seems dumb just copying IE like that, even if that wasn't the
intention. thanks :)
It is an option. Go to your control panel, mouse settings, and change the cursor
to be whatever you want.

All we did is change Mozilla so that it gets the cursor from the OS, we didn't
actually use IE's cursor.

We should probably ship with the old cursor for those who want to use it though.
okay - where do I get mozilla cursors for now?
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
mmmm ok I have to ask ... and I realize this would be on no one's priority list
... is there even a remote possibility that this cursor nonsense can be made to
be a preference: "_ Use Native OS Hand Cursors / _Use MOZILLA Hand Cursor" ... 

I know it seems like a waste of effort, but that cursor is near and dear to me
as something that just distinguished Mozilla / Netscape from the "new" crowd
(people like MS who came into the browser game later).

I don't want IE to have the Mozilla cursor if I change it in the OS.  I want ...
oh I guess this is pretty silly ... I just hate the way the Thumb sticks out on
that cursor ... 

I think on the other end of things -- Netscape / Mozilla has always had it's own
cursor.  Why was effort put to even changing this?  I combed the newsgroups and
didn't see anything in mozilla.ui or xpfe or whatever.  Just curious what the
effective reasoning was.
> is there even a remote possibility that this cursor nonsense can be made to
> be a preference: "_ Use Native OS Hand Cursors / _Use MOZILLA Hand Cursor"

Not really. While those contributing to Mozilla may have too much time on their
hands (excuse the pun), those using Mozilla should not be subject to the same
requirement when they are looking for a pref which is actually *useful*.

> I just hate the way the Thumb sticks out on that cursor ...

Therefore you won't be using IE, therefore which case you won't mind IE's cursor
being changed if you change it OS-wide, therefore you have nothing to complain
about.

> I combed the newsgroups and didn't see anything in mozilla.ui or xpfe or
> whatever.

<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=104035&selm=9ra1gn%243191%40ripley.netscape.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgroup:netscape.public.mozilla.*%2Bhand%2Bcursor%2Bian%2Bhickson%26hl%3Den%26rnum%3D1%26selm%3D9ra1gn%25243191%2540ripley.netscape.com>
<http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104035>
if i understood you right, you don't want to make the preferences dialogs huge
with useless preferences... why can't there be an "advanced" tab.. wait, there
already is one.. a "super ultra advanced" tab.. where things like this would be.
I would be ashamed to see one of those "tweakers" released for mozilla like they
are for hidden Windows preferences. :/
How about a hidden pref for those who like the old pointer better (but still
don't want that to be the OS-wide mouse cursor)..?

That would save the preferences window from useless junk, while still making
many users happy.
*** Bug 115813 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
At least make it something sexier than ie. 
Dont make it the same one.
Lee: Mozilla just uses the default system cursor specified in the control panel.
So it doesn't use the same as IE any more than IE uses the same as Mozilla.
URL: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source...
I liked the old mouse pointer too, so all I did was set the old cursor in my
mouse preferences. I don't use IE much, however even if I did if I prefer one
cursor to click on links in Mozilla then I'd prefer that cursor in whatever app
I was using.

I recommend this is wontfix, there needs to be an easy documented (in the
release notes) way to get the old pointer back, so perhaps the Netscape style
cursor file should be installed when you install mozilla (but the OS preference
not changed) then something like the following in the release notes:

Mozilla now uses the system hand cursor on Windows, if you'd like to change it
to the old Netscape style hand goto Control Panel > Mouse > Pointers and change
the link cursor (or whatever it's called) to select.cur which is included in the
Mozilla distribution.

Adding a pref for this is confusing and needless.

The reason the system cursor was used was so that people who installed their own
cursors with desktop themes they'd think it strange that the mozilla link
pointer isn't the one they specified.
Keywords: relnote
yes, yes, i concede ... waste of time and effort ... no problem ... i am a
silly, silly man ... 
I agree that this should be WONTFIX, and am marking it as such.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 23 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Verified.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
One last comment -- and I don't know if this is a big deal or not:

The netscape flash plug-in of course still uses the OLD NETSCAPE hand cursor. 
So now you have a situation where the user's cursor changes while browsing and
hitting any flash.

Inconsistent behavior.

Any UI gurus out there with their two cents on that one?

:rob

Rob: Probably need the same fix from bug 104035 applied to some plugin code. 
File a new bug on that.
this makes me sad :( will I be able to write a plugin to change it?
*** Bug 117014 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Hey, here's a better link - It shows a directory, where from you can download
and view all the cursors you want ^_^

http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/widget/src/build/res
Oh yea, I just discovered a small issue with it, which I resolved. You must
click the cursor name in the directory and then select the link that stays next
to "Binary File:" to download it.

-Mart.
Day by day Mozilla is starting to look more and more like Internet Explorer. Why
do you even use the Revolution font, if you are giving up the battle. One of the
MAIN icons of Mozilla is the legendary hand cursor, why should it be removed? 

If it is not the default cursor, it should ship with Mozilla anyway. It could be
installed on the system cursors directory. Users, who do NOT prefer the ugly
system default, could change it easily.

Every little detail making Mozilla like IE, finally makes them identical and
then it doesn't matter whether it is Moz or IE. This has more significance than
you might think.
Suggestion: Ship the old pointer with Mozilla distributions and add a release
note about how to change the cursor.

Installer builds could offer automatically changing the system cursor.
> is there even a remote possibility that this cursor nonsense can be made to
> be a preference: "_ Use Native OS Hand Cursors / _Use MOZILLA Hand Cursor" ... 

At the risk of repeating what people have said before... it _is_ a preference.


Anyway, I agree about shipping the resource with us. See bug 117638.
I'm with the comment #22, and I have another suggestion:
Why dont use the native cursor only for the classic skin, it's that way for the
widgets acctually, dont it?

I guess that http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39375 is the tracking
bug for this OS native issues, but I don't know if the cursor icon fits in the
same category...

I'm voting for this bug too the old cursor must live =)



Actually, contrary to what has been said in this report,
IE doesn't even use the OS link cursor. It always uses
the IE hand, even if you go to the mouse settings panel
and change the link cursor to the old Netscape cursor.
Product: Core → Mozilla Application Suite
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