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Users state real world problems for them. It's up to the engineers to find the solution.

Jason and Kelly are basically asking to send the mail with the From of another person. Due to spam, most email server no longer accept such emails. And that's a good thing, because it avoids that any random person can forge emails from anybody else. That was a bad idea (or rather lack of foresight) even 30 ideas ago, and it's no longer possible today.

> Whether or not the MTA/SMTP server allows the redirect is out of scope for Thunderbird

It is very much in scope. We should worry whether something actually works. If the action fails in most cases, and often fails silently, e.g. by being deleted as spam, then we shouldn't drive users right into that problem.

The original problem, as stated, was: 'When the proper recipient receives the email and the "replies" to it, the "reply" is sent to the secretary.' This problem is fixed now. We are adding a Reply-To header, which means that spec-conforming mail clients will send the reply not to the 'secretary' (the person that forwarded), but to the original sender. This is what the reported wanted, and this is what was implemented.
Users state real world problems for them. It's up to the engineers to find the solution.

Jason and Kelly are basically asking to send the mail with the `From` of another person. Due to spam, most email server no longer accept such emails. And that's a good thing, because it avoids that any random person can forge emails from anybody else. That was a bad idea (or rather lack of foresight) even 30 ideas ago, and it's no longer possible today.

> Whether or not the MTA/SMTP server allows the redirect is out of scope for Thunderbird

It is very much in scope. We should worry whether something actually works. If the action fails in most cases, and often fails silently, e.g. by being deleted as spam, then we shouldn't drive users right into that problem.

The original problem, as stated, was: 'When the proper recipient receives the email and the "replies" to it, the "reply" is sent to the secretary.' This problem is fixed now. We are adding a `Reply-To` header, which means that spec-conforming mail clients will send the reply not to the 'secretary' (the person that forwarded), but to the original sender. This is what the reported wanted, and this is what was implemented.
Jason and Kelly are basically asking to send the mail with the `From` of another person. Due to spam, most email servers no longer accept such emails. And that's a good thing, because it avoids that any random person can forge emails from anybody else. That was a bad idea (or rather lack of foresight) even 30 ideas ago, and it's no longer possible today.

> Whether or not the MTA/SMTP server allows the redirect is out of scope for Thunderbird

It is very much in scope. We should worry whether something actually works. If the action fails in most cases, and often fails silently, e.g. by being deleted as spam, then we shouldn't drive users right into that problem.

The original problem, as stated, was: 'When the proper recipient receives the email and the "replies" to it, the "reply" is sent to the secretary.' This problem is fixed now. We are adding a `Reply-To` header, which means that spec-conforming mail clients will send the reply not to the 'secretary' (the person that forwarded), but to the original sender. This is what the reporter wanted, and this is what was implemented.
Jason and Kelly are basically asking to send the mail with the `From` of another person. Due to spam, most email servers no longer accept such emails. And that's a good thing, because it avoids that any random person can forge emails from anybody else. That was a bad idea (or rather lack of foresight) even 30 ideas ago, and it's no longer possible today.

> Whether or not the MTA/SMTP server allows the redirect is out of scope for Thunderbird

It is very much in scope. We should worry whether something actually works. If the action fails in most cases, and often fails silently, e.g. by being deleted as spam, then we shouldn't drive users right into that problem.

The original problem, as stated, was: 'When the proper recipient receives the email and the "replies" to it, the "reply" is sent to the secretary.' This problem is fixed now. We are adding a `Reply-To` header, which means that spec-conforming mail clients will send the reply not to the 'secretary' (the person that forwarded), but to the original sender. This is what the reporter wanted, and this is what was implemented.

The `Reply-To` solution implemented here is the right one, within today's email specifications.
Jason and Kelly are basically asking to send the mail with the `From` of another person. Due to spam, and thanks to newer email standards like DKIM and SPF, most email servers no longer accept such emails. And that's a good thing, because it avoids that any random person can forge emails from anybody else. That was a bad idea (or rather lack of foresight) even 30 ideas ago, and it's no longer possible today.

> Whether or not the MTA/SMTP server allows the redirect is out of scope for Thunderbird

It is very much in scope. We should worry whether something actually works. If the action fails in most cases, and often fails silently, e.g. by being deleted as spam, then we shouldn't drive users right into that problem.

The original problem, as stated, was: 'When the proper recipient receives the email and the "replies" to it, the "reply" is sent to the secretary.' This problem is fixed now. We are adding a `Reply-To` header, which means that spec-conforming mail clients will send the reply not to the 'secretary' (the person that forwarded), but to the original sender. This is what the reporter wanted, and this is what was implemented.

The `Reply-To` solution implemented here is the right one, within today's email specifications.

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