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(In reply to stormcloud from comment #12)
> > It's a big issue if you have bookmark organisation where you depend on folders with more than 30 things in them. That's not a majority or even large minority usecase.
> 
> On my laptop it's just 20 items before I have to scroll (and yes I do use folders - My top level bookmark menu contains a few regular items and about 25 folders). Do you have any data that says that this isn't a "majority or even large minority usecase"? There are lots of complaints in the forums and I know my co-workers who use Firefox are struggling in the same way I am

We don't have telemetry specifically on "how many folders with more than N bookmarks", of course, but we have generic telemetry that gives a good idea: https://mzl.la/3iS2L68 is a graph of the total number of bookmarks beta 92 users are reporting. 92% have fewer than 100, which would only realistically be a problem if they were all or mostly in the same folder.

With more fine-grained bucketing, if you look at https://mzl.la/3yWbJoG (note: graphs set to cumulative!), 70% of users who import bookmarks from Chrome import 19 or fewer *in total*. Note that that population skews towards people who have more bookmarks that they value (otherwise, why import them!), so for our release users I would expect fewer bookmarks still, on average.

So yes, I think having more than 20 things in a single folder is highly uncommon.

To be clear, I am more like you than like our average user - I have 3 different folders that don't fit on the screen, despite having a bigger screen. But also (a) I mostly use the address bar to pull up bookmarks (if you just want to search bookmarks, start by typing `* ` in the address bar, followed by words in the bookmark URL/title) and (b) I'm aware that even if I want to make Firefox more convenient *for me*, that's not necessarily what most of our users need/want.

(In reply to stormcloud from comment #12)
> > It's a big issue if you have bookmark organisation where you depend on folders with more than 30 things in them. That's not a majority or even large minority usecase.
> 
> On my laptop it's just 20 items before I have to scroll (and yes I do use folders - My top level bookmark menu contains a few regular items and about 25 folders). Do you have any data that says that this isn't a "majority or even large minority usecase"? There are lots of complaints in the forums and I know my co-workers who use Firefox are struggling in the same way I am

We don't have telemetry specifically on "how many folders with more than N bookmarks", of course, but we have generic telemetry that gives a good idea: https://mzl.la/3iS2L68 is a graph of the total number of bookmarks beta 92 users are reporting. 92% have fewer than 100, which would only realistically be a problem if they were all or mostly in the same folder.

With more fine-grained bucketing, if you look at https://mzl.la/3yWbJoG (note: graphs set to cumulative!), 70% of users who import bookmarks from Chrome import 19 or fewer *in total*. Note that that population skews towards people who have more bookmarks that they value (otherwise, why import them!), so for our release users I would expect fewer bookmarks still, on average.

So yes, I think having more than 20 things in a single folder is highly uncommon.

To be clear, I am more like you than like our average user - I have 3 different folders that don't fit on the screen, despite having a bigger screen. But also (a) I mostly use the address bar to pull up bookmarks (if you just want to search bookmarks, start by typing `"* "` (asterisk followed by a space) in the address bar, followed by words in the bookmark URL/title) and (b) I'm aware that even if I want to make Firefox more convenient *for me*, that's not necessarily what most of our users need/want.