126524 - aljazeera.net - Mozilla Does not show sidebar frame (document.all)

Status: VERIFIED WORKSFORME

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: Arabic, defect)

Description

[Kassim Rahawi]

From Bugzilla Helper:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020217
BuildID:    2002021708

Mozilla Does not show sidebar frame

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1. visit this site!
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Comment 1

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

no DNS entry for me...

Comment 2

[Tim Recher]

I think the correct URL is http://aljazeera.net.  On IE 6.0, you get a sidebar
on the righthand side of the page.  Mozilla does not show said sidebar.  Viewing
the page source may be hazardous to your health.

Comment 3

[Chris Lyon]

*** Bug 126525 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 4

[Michael Gabriel]

page uses document.all to view those menus, tech evang

Comment 5

[Michael Gabriel]

oops, btw, os = all and update the url

Comment 6

[Alfonso Martinez]

Moving to Tech evangelism and confirming.

Comment 7

[Alfonso Martinez]

there's a bug in bugzilla, the "and confirm bug (change status to NEW) "
checkbox doesn't work.
Marking as new

Comment 8

[Thomas Buffington Jr.]

*** Bug 137599 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 9

[Shoshannah Forbes]

*** Bug 191687 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 10

[Shoshannah Forbes]

From bug 191687:
Error: document.all has no properties
Source File: http://aljazeera.net/j-scripts/menu.js
Line: 399

Comment 11

[William Springer]

There is an additional problem with viewing this site:

Clicking on any of the articles, I get the title but not the story, which is
visible in the source.

Computer info: Moz 1.3, Win98, PIII

Comment 12

[Sash]

Mac OSX Camino
Problem with aljazeera articles also seen in Chimera 0.6 (Build 2002122004) and
Camino Build 2003041205
Please try loading http://english.aljazeera.net/
Then click on any of the topics. The title loads but the article text does not.
Works fine in IE

The page source has the following javascript which might be the source of the
problem.

<script language="JavaScript1.2">
var nav = document.parentWindow.navigator;
if (nav.appName == "Microsoft Internet Explorer")
{
if( document.all.date 1)
{
docDate = document.all.date1.value;
}
}
else
{
if( document.getElementById("date1") )
{
docDate = document.getElementById("date1").value;
}
}

</script>

Comment 13

[aurag]

Attachment: Email to feedback of aljazeera

I have sent this email to aljazeera, to also make them think about the problem

Btw, I tried the english pages and no clicking on subjects will show anything.
Clicking on the arabic page though shows the new page (using mozilla 1.2 coming
from redhat 9)

Hope this helps and thanks to all who work somehow on this.

Comment 14

[Thamer Mahmoud]

Other than the "document.all" problem, there is also a case of using JavaScript
"unescape" on their Arabic menu titles. 

I'm not so sure why they're actually doing that, but the results would most
likely be in Latin instead of Arabic. (see mozilla bug 200984)

Comment 15

[timeless]

arabic evangelism

Comment 16

[Michael Gabriel]

wrong config over there it seems

Comment 17

[Tim Freedom]

The problem(s) persists even with 1.5RC1 - what's the status of this bug ?  IE
seems for function properly.

Comment 18

[Thamer Mahmoud]

re:comment 17, this is evangelism bug, so it's not a bug in
mozilla. The non-standard "document.all" is being used everywhere on
aljazeera.

Also, an hour ago, I sent an e-mail to aljazeera through their
"netsupport" address (they seem to have more than one support
address). If no change and no reply in the next couple of days I'll
probably try the other addresses as well.

Comment 19

[Leston Buell]

*** Bug 236154 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 20

[Max]

same problem in firefox 0.8

Comment 21

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

*** Bug 243236 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 22

[Olivier Cahagne]

*** Bug 244543 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 23

[Ali Ebrahim]

*** Bug 245514 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 24

[Tim Freedom]

This is a serious and important issue that seems to have been reported at
least half a dozen times in one incarnation or another for approximately
two years now.  Beyond branding it as an 'evangelical' bug (which I'm not
quite sure what that means) can someone point out a definite reason why
this issue is still an issue even with Firefox-0.9.2 ?

If this is the site's problem, is it unique to this site or a common enough
mistake to where a "this site is non-conforming" button ought to be considered
to at a min allow the users to view it ?  If they are not following the 
standard, could someone point out exactly what it is that they are doing wrong 
for us to harp on them to change it.

For the record the site in question is http://www.aljazeera.net

Comment 25

[Michael Gabriel]

tech evang means its not mozillas fault, but the site should get a webdesigner
that knows what hes doing, or the site owner simply doesnt care for anything but
IE compliance ;-)

... visit their site, then go Tools -> Web Development -> Javascript Console
you will see alot of dhtml/js/layer related errors pop up.

the site still uses document.all which is a pre DOM standard Jsciprt specific
relict and shouldnt be around since the year 2000 anymore.

so, they only care for IE or they dont know any better.

beside that, there is 360 html errors ;-)

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.net%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&verbose=1

Comment 26

[Mats Palmgren (inactive)]

*** Bug 251560 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 27

[Thamer Mahmoud]

This is now fixed in latest nighties. (See bug 248549 for details)

--> FIXED

Comment 28

[Thamer Mahmoud]

Sorry about the spam.

Since there seems to be no official stance on how to resolve these
"document.all" evangelism bugs, I'm reopening this one for now.

Comment 29

[Thamer Mahmoud]

-> wfm 

Comment 30

[Felix Miata]

Conforming summary to TFM item 10 at 
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tech-evangelism/site/procedures.html#file-new