424091 - Testing dump of Serbian Firefox 3 Beta 5 pre

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: sr / Serbian, defect)

Description

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

I did a test run through the Serbian fx3b5, here are my findings:

Installer, many garbage strings, partly English. English installer might be fine due to code page issues with Serbian not being totally Cyrillic.

Profile manager: untranslated strings for Create Profile and friends. Create Profile wizard unusable due to dialog size being too small, can't get to the button.

Menus: History menu has wrong accesskey.
  View -> Zoom menu untranslated
  Tools menu has bad accesskeys

Options dialogs:
Untranslated "add-ons" strings in general pane. Other in the Contents pane.
Fonts subdialog is too narrow
Preference dialog too narrow for Advanced pane.
Advanced -> Network settings subdialog too narrow.

Larry (new security UI) is untranslated.

I'm afraid that I'd consider the installer a blocker for B5 on windows, at least.

I know that many of these problems are expected, as filmil pushed fx3 in a rush on top of his fx2 work, so we need, in particular for B5, a good call on what to ship to get feedback on.

Mic, Chris, Filip, comments?

Comment 1

[Filip Miletic]

(In reply to comment #0)
> I did a test run through the Serbian fx3b5, here are my findings:
Axel, thanks for taking the time.

> Installer, many garbage strings, partly English. 
Can you explain what's 'garbage strings', please?

> English installer might be  fine due to code page issues with Serbian not being totally Cyrillic.

> Profile manager: untranslated strings for Create Profile and friends. Create
> Profile wizard unusable due to dialog size being too small, can't get to the
> button.
Ok, will look into it.

> Menus: History menu has wrong accesskey.
Can you explain what a wrong access key is?

>   View -> Zoom menu untranslated
Ok.
>   Tools menu has bad accesskeys
What is a good access key?

> Options dialogs:
> Untranslated "add-ons" strings in general pane. Other in the Contents pane.
> Fonts subdialog is too narrow
> Preference dialog too narrow for Advanced pane.
> Advanced -> Network settings subdialog too narrow.
ACK
> 
> Larry (new security UI) is untranslated.
Where does Larry live?  I don't remember seeing any directory in the l10n tree with that name, I may have left it out completely?

> 
> I'm afraid that I'd consider the installer a blocker for B5 on windows, at
> least.

> 
> I know that many of these problems are expected, as filmil pushed fx3 in a rush
> on top of his fx2 work, so we need, in particular for B5, a good call on what
> to ship to get feedback on.

> Mic, Chris, Filip, comments?
Well, with these findings, I have to say the only way out is to keep translating.  There's a lot to do.  I will not be surprised if you decide to drop l10n-sr for B5, but the decision is yours.

Once again, thanks for the insight.

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Comment 2

[chris hofmann]

Attachment: first install dialog

>> Installer, many garbage strings, partly English. 
>Can you explain what's 'garbage strings', please?

here is what the first install dialog looks like when I start the sr install

Comment 3

[chris hofmann]

Attachment: second install dialog

Comment 4

[chris hofmann]

Attachment: third dialog

Comment 5

[chris hofmann]

Attachment: screenshot of "larry, the passport dude" that provide site authenication info

here is what the site authentication stuff looks like in the current build.  click on the favicon to bring up the dialog.  I'll have to hunt to find where these strings are located in the source tree.

Comment 6

[chris hofmann]

>> Larry (new security UI) is untranslated.
> Where does Larry live?  I don't remember seeing any directory in the l10n tree
> with that name, I may have left it out completely?

looks like around

http://lxr.mozilla.org/l10n/source/sr/browser/chrome/browse/pageInfo.properties#81

Comment 7

[chris hofmann]

Filip,

looking at those installer screen shots can you tell if there enough basic translated material there for an average Serbian user to make it though the install process?   If things like [next] buttons are readable that would be the basic thing I think we need.  There is more explanitory information on each dialog, but we could probably get by without that for beta testing.

Comment 8

[Filip Miletic]

Unfortunately, I do not have Windows so I don't know why the garbage text appears.  If I understand it well, the text should be readable when displayed as CP1251.  However, this does not seem to happen where you're testing.

Advice appreciated.

Comment 9

[Alexander L. Slovesnik]

Attachment: First install dialog (WinXP SP2 Rus)

FWIW, I've tested ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/latest-trunk-l10n/firefox-3.0b5pre.ru.win32.installer.exe on Windows XP SP2 Russian and installer looks OK.
If you see garbage strings, probably you are missing cyrillic fonts installed.

Comment 10

[Alexander L. Slovesnik]

(In reply to comment #9)
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/latest-trunk-l10n/firefox-3.0b5pre.ru.win32.installer.exe
s/firefox-3.0b5pre.ru.win32.installer.exe/firefox-3.0b5pre.sr.win32.installer.exe of course.

Comment 11

[Alexander L. Slovesnik]

Attachment: Second install dialog (firefox-3.0b5pre.sr.win32.installer.exe on WinXP SP2 Rus)

Comment 12

[Alexander L. Slovesnik]

Attachment: Third install dialog (firefox-3.0b5pre.sr.win32.installer.exe on WinXP SP2 Rus)

Comment 13

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Ah, thanks.

Ok, I couldn't find out why this would happen comparing sr with ru myself, so the next thing I would have asked is to cross check.

Maybe chofmann can verify that the russian installer shows the same artifacts?

If so, I guess that's just the way it is. I would have thought that font problems look different, like, like font problems. My bad.

To me, that makes windows equal to the other platforms in terms of shipping for b5.

Comment 14

[Filip Miletic]

(In reply to comment #9)
> Created an attachment (id=310857) [details]
> First install dialog (WinXP SP2 Rus)
Спасибо.  The translated bits look fine on the Russian machine.  Thanks to all for trying this out.

Comment 15

[chris hofmann]

I've got a machine at home with better font support so I'll try it out there as back up confirmation.  I agree, let's ship it.

Comment 16

[Filip Miletic]

Wooohooo!!!

Comment 17

[chris hofmann]

ok, checking on my home winxp laptop I see problems with both sr and ru installers.  In 

control panel | regional and lang options | languages 

I have previously selected the "install r-t-l (including thai)" and the "install filese for east asian languages" and ran the set up for that font support.

I don't see any addtional set up for any cyrilic font support, and articles like http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/fonts_e.htm seem to indicate that cyrillic fonts should "just work" out of the box on windows XP.

I also poked around on the advanced tab and added code page coversion tables for cyrillic(serbian) and a few others, but that didn't seem to help either.

Anyone know how I can set up my system or point to some other things to check or install to have these fonts used in the sr and ru installers come out right?

Comment 18

[Alexander L. Slovesnik]

(In reply to comment #17)
> Anyone know how I can set up my system or point to some other things to check
> or install to have these fonts used in the sr and ru installers come out right?
Try to use manual on http://www.gwu.edu/~slavic/gw-cyrillic/cyrilize.htm 

Comment 19

[Filip Miletic]

The instruction at:
http://www.gwu.edu/~slavic/gw-cyrillic/cyrilize.htm#system_fonts
seems relevant. 

Note that while the system font is set to Cyrillic, all system chars that fall outside of the Cyrillic code page will display as a Cyrillic character.  E.g. accented Latin letters will not be seen well.  That is, until you revert to old settings.

Comment 20

[chris hofmann]

Thanks Filip,

From http://www.gwu.edu/~slavic/gw-cyrillic/cyrilize.htm#system_fonts 

  The absence of Cyrillic here is because Windows XP as installed on 
  computers in North America automatically selects system fonts and code page 
  settings for English. Fortunately, you can change the settings back and 
  forth quite easily.

  1.   Start -> Control Panel -> Regional and Language Options -> Advanced
  2.   Look for Language for non-Unicode programs. Choose Russian and click OK.
  3.   Reboot when prompted to do so.

I was able to make the changes to Russian and now the sr installer shows the right fonts and installer dialogs look pretty (except for some english test that needs translation).

Comment 21

[chris hofmann]

looks like the dialog for

  help | check for updates

is blank.   we should get that fixed as soon as possible. 

Comment 22

[Filip Miletic]

(In reply to comment #21)
> looks like the dialog for
> 
>   help | check for updates
> 
> is blank.   we should get that fixed as soon as possible. 
> 

Works for me on Linux.  Did you mean Bug 424245 ?

Comment 23

[Filip Miletic]

What happens next on this bug?

Comment 24

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Not sure, this bug is a bit hard to track down with the mix between real issues and font problems. The installer stuff seems to be OK, what about the rest of the issues mentioned in comment 0?

If they're fixed, feel free to close this bug out.

Comment 25

[Filip Miletic]

I'll go through the list in an attempt to close this ticket out.

(In reply to comment #0)
> Installer, many garbage strings, partly English. English installer might be
> fine due to code page issues with Serbian not being totally Cyrillic.
The installer is now fully translated.  The "garbage strings" issue is in fact Bug 305039.  I'd stop considering it here.

> Menus: History menu has wrong accesskey.
>   View -> Zoom menu untranslated
>   Tools menu has bad accesskeys
Access keys should be fine since 3RC1.

> Untranslated "add-ons" strings in general pane. Other in the Contents pane.
There are no unwanted untranslated strings since RC1 in the often used GUI.

> Larry (new security UI) is untranslated.
Larry is now translated.

Comment 26

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Sounds good, marking FIXED.

Comment 27

[Filip Miletic]

(In reply to comment #0)
> Profile manager: untranslated strings for Create Profile and friends. Create
In 3rc2, no untranslated string for Create Profile.

> Profile wizard unusable due to dialog size being too small, can't get to the
> button.
In 3rc2 profile wizard OK.

> Menus: History menu has wrong accesskey.
In 3rc2, history menu access key is OK.

>   View -> Zoom menu untranslated
In 3rc2 translated.

>   Tools menu has bad accesskeys
In 3rc2 corrected.

> Options dialogs:
> Untranslated "add-ons" strings in general pane. Other in the Contents pane.
Contents pane fully translated in 3rc2.
> Fonts subdialog is too narrow
Ok in 3rc2
> Preference dialog too narrow for Advanced pane.
Ok in 3rc2.
> Advanced -> Network settings subdialog too narrow.
OK in 3rc2