521983 - [cs] Choose search plug-ins for Fennec in Czech

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: cs / Czech, defect)

Description

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

You've indicated an interest in participating in the localization of mobile Firefox (aka Fennec). We want to ship Fennec with a good list of search engines for Czech. As the technical details of implementation are being worked on, we'd like to start the discussion about the choice of search engines. This bug is about agreeing on a set of search engines, and will not tackle the implementation (at least not yet).

First, the localization team and Staś will look at the market for the locale and come up with a good set of search providers. The guidelines for making recommendations are on https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Mobile/Productization. You're welcome to suggest engines already shipped in desktop Firefox for Czech, if they fit well in the categories outlined on the wiki.

For en-US, we currently use the following set, which may serve as an inspiration:
Google, Wikipedia, Amazon, Yahoo, Twitter.

Note that according to the guidelines, for some categories it may be better to leave them empty than to ship with en engine that's irrelevant or unavailable in your region.

After we decided on a particular search engine, we will need to test it in Fennec. You can test on a mobile device and on the desktop (download the builds from <http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/>). Staś will help with testing on a device, too. If the service works fine, Staś will contact the owner and ask for permission, and for specifics like proper search flags. $name, we'll likely need your help to at least get the contact information if we don't have them already.

We don't know the implementation details yet, so for now, please don't create patches nor land anything. We will keep you posted as we figure out the how's and when's.

Thanks.

Comment 1

[Seth Bindernagel]

Hi Guys:  Just a friendly reminder, as we move closer to the general availability date for Fennec in mid-December, has your team had any chance to consider search providers?  Thanks!

Comment 2

[Pavel Franc - Mozilla.cz]

We would like to use the following search engines:
 - Google, Wikipedia - in Czech
 - Twitter - in English but very popular
 - Seznam.cz - instead of Yahoo, the biggest Czech portal
 - Zbozi.cz - instead of Amazon, general product search by Seznam

I asked Seznam about the confirmation of their interest in such change.

Comment 3

[Seth Bindernagel]

(In reply to comment #2)
> We would like to use the following search engines:
>  - Google, Wikipedia - in Czech
>  - Twitter - in English but very popular
>  - Seznam.cz - instead of Yahoo, the biggest Czech portal
>  - Zbozi.cz - instead of Amazon, general product search by Seznam

Thanks, Guys!  Stas, any final comments?

Comment 4

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Great suggestions. 

Pavel -- can you help me contact Seznam to get a permission for us to include Zbozi.cz? We should also ask for a bigger (preferably 32x32 pixel) favicon, if they can provide it.

For the local search: I wonder if we could include Seznam's mapping service, May.cz, instead of their default search. It looks like a compelling candidate (<http://l10n.mozilla.org/~stas/fennec-search/screenshot04.png>, but unfortunately when you try to get more details about a point of interest, the baloon-like pop-up is too big and doesn't fit into the screen (<http://l10n.mozilla.org/~stas/fennec-search/screenshot05.png>).

Comment 5

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Attachment: Bootstrapping search engines with Google, localized Wikipedia and Twitter

Here's a patch resetting the mobile/searchplugins/ directory to a minimal set of search engines that we would like to ship your locale with. Please read this comment carefully before you land this patch.

*Important*: There has been a change to how we use the  <Description/> elements present in the plug-ins (see bug 528655 and bug 529869). We want to emphasize that the search is integrated with the browser to better reflect what a search plugin is and what it does. You will need to edit the Wikipedia plug-in before you commit this patch. Please read <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Integrated_Search_Instructions> for detailed instructions.

For Google and Twitter, we don't have to copy the XML files to your mobile/searchplugins/ directory. Plugins identical to en-US are pulled from source automatically. It's enough to put the engine's name in list.txt for this to work (which I did). I also updated the Wikipedia plug-in to use a bigger icon, see bug 517997 for details.

Please edit the Wikipedia plug-in and commit this patch before you opt-in in the mozilla.dev.l10n newsgroup. Opt-ins without this patch will not be taken. This does not mean that we don't want to include other search engines. On the contrary, the work and the discussion will continue in this bug until we choose a good set of search engines for your locale. Then, you will be able to opt in again, so that in the final release we include more search engines than the mineral set from this patch.

This patch is simply meant to reset your mobile/searchplugins directory so that we keep the repository clean and happy.

Thanks for understanding!

Comment 6

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Pavel, thanks for landing the patch (with fixes). For reference, the landings were:
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/cs/rev/27c5b6db304b
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/cs/rev/515c8254cdda
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/cs/rev/51aff7bd2240

Comment 7

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

i have received permissions from Jakub Černý to use seznam.cz, zbozi.cz and mapy.cz. The URLs to use are:

http://search.seznam.cz/?q={searchTerms}&sourceid=SearchBox
http://www.zbozi.cz/?q={searchTerms}&r=campmoz
http://www.mapy.cz/?query={searchTerms}&sourceid=SearchBox

Not sure which if the 3 we will end up using, but this is certainly very helpful.

Comment 8

[Pavel Franc - Mozilla.cz]

Attachment: Adding Seznam.cz and Zbozi.cz plugins

Comment 9

[Pavel Franc - Mozilla.cz]

Stas, ping.

Comment 10

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 416448 [details] [diff] [review]
Adding Seznam.cz and Zbozi.cz plugins

r=me, sorry for the wait, Pavel.

Please land this patch on 1.9.2 mentioning this bug and my review. Then, if testing goes well, please sign off on the new revision. 

In terms of the timing, we still might be able to make the 1.1 RC :)

Pavel, do you think that you could contact Seznam and ask them for 32x32 pixel icons for seznam.cz and zbozi.cz? If you think we can get the 32x32 icons soon, we could delay the landing and wait for a new patch with the bigger icons.

Otherwise, we can land this patch now with 16x16 icons, and then change the icons later.

(FYI, due to how the search service works, we'll need to leave "16" in <Image width="16" height="16"> even if the actual icon is 32x32.)

Thanks!

Comment 11

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Oh, it looks like this already landed a while ago :)

http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/cs/rev/8f052883a216

Pavel, if you'd like to change the icons to 32x32 ones soon please leave this bug open and attach a new patch for the change.

If, however, the icons will stay as 16x16 for now than I'd suggest that you resolve this bug as fixed, and file a new bug when we have the new icons.

Thanks!
-stas

Comment 12

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

L10n-src-verification updated in http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/l10n-src-verification/rev/e9b076941334.

Comment 13

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Seems like this was an accidental landing, but in the future, please make sure to reference the bug number and review in the check-in comment.

Should this bug closed or are we still waiting for the larger icons?

Taking the icons as is for 1.1 RC.

Comment 14

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Pavel, would you like to update the icons now (leave the bug open) or later, i.e. after 1.1 (close this bug, file a new bug)?

Comment 15

[Pavel Franc - Mozilla.cz]

Follow up for the icons in bug 566589.