106282 - esakal.com - uses Marquee tag

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: Other, defect, P3)

Description

[Kedar Patankar]

This is webpage of a newspaper. They have a marquee (horizontal scrolling text)
where they display latest headlines. It doesn't work as expected.

Comment 1

[Doron Rosenberg (IBM)]

the marquee tag is a IE only thing. probaly a evangelism bug

Comment 2

[Kedar Patankar]

OK. But then it should be ignored. It should not screw up the display.

Comment 3

[Doron Rosenberg (IBM)]

evang it is

Comment 4

[Kedar Patankar]

I am not saying that marquee tag should be supported. But that it should be
ignored silently and completely. And BTW, its not "middle-estern". Its a south
indian news paper, from south asia and not middle east.

Comment 5

[timeless]

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Comment 6

[Rui Xu]

I cannot find out the horizontal scrolling text in this page now, it has been 
changed or updated ?

Comment 7

[Kedar Patankar]

Yes. Its not there right now. Its a news paper site, and keeps changing. But 
normally if you try early morning (US PST), you should see the marquee. In fact 
as little as 2-3 hours ago it was there.

Comment 8

[Rui Xu]

Thanks a lot for the updates, I will keep to try it.

Comment 9

[Rui Xu]

CONFIRMED, please refer to the attachment.

Comment 10

[Rui Xu]

Attachment: attachment

Comment 11

[Katsuhiko Momoi]

I will write to the Intl Marathi News about the use of
Marquee tag. 
But there are also more important issues on this site.
I don't know what encoding is used for this site but
I don't believe Mozilla officially supports Marathi yet.

To: Kedar Patankar

Please write in this report where we can obtain necessary fonts to
display the pages in Marathi on Windows. 

Comment 12

[Rui Xu]

They are using Dynamic font to display. It seems we don't support dynamic font 
in NS6.x so far, we won't be able to display it at all if no font installed. 

Please get font file at: http://www.esakal.com/prog/frm_downloadfont.htm 
or use attached font here.

Comment 13

[Rui Xu]

Attachment: font file

Comment 14

[Katsuhiko Momoi]

Non-major site and a minor problem. In addition, our support
for Marathi is minimum. I don't know if it would be worth 
an effort to get them not to use the marquee tag.
I think we should revisit this issue when Marathi support is
officially IN in the Mozilla code.

Kedar, how satisfied are you with Mozilla's display of Marathi 
on this and other site using a private font under User-defined
encoding? My personal opnion is that we should get Mozilla to
support Marathi/Devanagari officially first. Then we will
worry about a problem like this one next.

Comment 15

[Katsuhiko Momoi]

The contact address on this site seems to be:

[e-mail]

Comment 16

[Kedar Patankar]

My point is if marquee is not supported then it should be ignored *completely*. 
It MUST not screw up the rest of the page rendering.

About mozilla's marathi language rendering. It was ***perfect*** with 0.9.1 on 
all platforms (Linux/NT/2000). It was way better than even IE whatever.whatever
Things are slightly broken since 0.9.2 onward. I have logged another bug - 
105688 about that http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105688

In general current state of marathi (devanagari and any indic script in 
general) rendering in mozilla is partially broken - readable, but annoying with 
unnecessary '$' and '>' characters popping up now and then in the indic text.

Comment 17

[Kedar Patankar]

I checked a bunch of other indian language news paper sites. All of them seem 
to have got their web design done from the same boiler plate html code.

All of them use dynamic fonts.

The http://www.esakal.com at least seems to use something more than the rest - 
I can at least see it rendered. Other language web sites ( I tried tamil, 
kannada, urdu, gujarati, bengali) are completely unreadable.

Comment 18

[Katsuhiko Momoi]

> My point is if marquee is not supported then it should be 
> ignored *completely*. It MUST not screw up the rest of the 
> page rendering.

Actually, we normally simply display the marquee tag value without
scrolling it. So if it is messing up the display of other parts,
then there is probably another cause for that problem.

I will investigate this latter issue.

Kedar, thanks also for checking on other sites. As I stated earlier,
the current workaround dsolution of using a private font like
Subak and the encoding, User-Defined, is limited in nature and not likely
work on all Marathi/Devanagari sites. The real solution is official 
support of Devanagari in Mozilla.

Comment 19

[Sefy Levy]

If you want to check the Marquee bug, i've just found it on another page, it's
Israeli page for auctions: http://www.netaction.co.il/
Instead of scrolling the text it has a one huge line, which makes it really
uncomfortable to view the page.

I Think even if this is something "specific" to IE, it should still be
supported, Mozilla is supposed to support latest enhancments to the web
standards, ignoring it won't help it much.

Comment 20

[José Jeria]

WFM now that Marquee tag has been implemented in Mozilla.

Comment 21

[Kai Lahmann (is there, where MNG is)]

I still get a useless character encoding here and I don't see the marquee..?!

Comment 22

[Kedar Patankar]

A lot of things have changed since I first reported this bug. The website
changed their font and possibly encoding a few months ago.

Earlier, 0.92 used to work perfectly - even better than IE. Now none of the
mozilla's render this site correctly. IE 5 renders the text not as well as
earlier but printouts of the text have improved (in IE 5).

Comment 23

[Katsuhiko Momoi]

No marquee any more.
The real problem at this site is the use of dynamic fonts.
(cf. .pfr portable font file which only Comm 4.x can use.)
Looks more or less OK on IE6 which use WEFT technology for
dynamic fonts.
I'm icnlined to mark this as Wontfix. Can't fix this 
in Evangelism. 

A Marathi site -- they would be better off using Unicode rather
than the dynamic fonts that neither Mozilla nor Netscape 6/7 
supports.

Comment 24

[Katsuhiko Momoi]

If anyone wants to tell them to use Unicode instead
of dynamic fonts, please go ahead.

Comment 25

[Martijn Wargers (dead)]

I don't see any use of dynamic fonts anymore and Mozilla currently supports marquee, so can this bug be marked worksforme?