Created attachment 8530559 [details] 9502.pdf Our domain name mozilla.mk [Bug 847197] has recently expired and Gorjan has renewed it for two more years. The cost was 1240 denars. We can reimburse Gorjan for this, from the Firefox Club budget [Bug 987631]. Ioana is that OK? Attached to this bug is a PDF document of the receipt.
Hi, Reps don't do this kind of reimbursements. You can request domain ownership transfer to Mozilla to take care of the domain. https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SOPs/Hosting_and_Domain
Thanks Rubén. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I thought we already transferred mozilla.mk to Mozilla in Bug 847197.
That bug doesn't contain any webops transfer. I'm guessing DNS was moved or something in that bug, but no idea. If Mozilla owns the domain, our webops team handle renewals.
Thanks Tom. Not sure how that could have happened, but anyway... Gorjan payed for the renewal of the domain and he will need to get reimbursed for this one way or another. I thought we could avoid additional budget requests and just use the budget we currently have. If that's not possible, what are the other possible options?
As far as I know, there is no way that a non-Macedonian can own a .mk domain. Every renewal period a special document needs to be signed and mailed to the register in order to renew the domain. That is why a Mozilla Rep does it, so far that has been my duty.
Tom, can you check if it's possible to transfer this domain to mozilla? For the reimbursement request, I'm sorry but Reps do not reimburse expenses for domains since we ask every community to transfer them to Mozilla directly. Also, all Rep requests have to be first approved before any expense is done. Can you please give me more information on who told you to follow this procedure, I'm sure I'm missing something here. Thanks!
I'll check If it can't be transferred, let's have a short chat about what to do here. Might be possible that we expense this to IT
Seriously Rubén? We were about to lose the domain name of our community website and we should wait for someone to tell us what to do? Since when is Mozilla about authority and not community? No one told us to do this, but yes, you are missing something - your responsibility to take care of the Mozilla community. It doesn't matter who reimburses Gorjan as long as someone does. I'm not saying it has to be me, just that if possible, we could reimburse him from the budget of the Firefox Club. The registration was done with the best possible intentions and I don't understand why is this becoming an issue. If you're saying that we did wrong because we acted promptly to protect the domain, in the same way we were advised to do [Bug 847197], the first time mozilla.mk was acquired, than I'm speechless.
This has nothing to do with authority, it's accountability, and Reps program have procedures that have to be followed. If you want Reps to cover a expense, you have to follow the procedures. Goce, please don't take my words in a wrong way. I just wanted clarify the situation and inform that: 1. Reps program does not have a SOP defined to reimburse domains/hosting expenses, we don't do this. 2. In any case, all Rep expenses have to be previously approved by Council. 3. I wanted to have more background about why is this request was done because I assume it has been a misunderstanding about the procedure. We can try to do our best to move the domain to Mozilla IT hands. In any case you can escalate your concerns to the Council if you wish, but please don't use money from other budget without approval.
To make it clearer, Up utill this year, it was definitely NOT possible for a foreign company to own a domain name in Macedonia. This year the regulations changed and it MIGHT be possible, but we'll need to double check the new regulations. But, that was the reason why we were handling the registration of the mozilla.mk domain for all of these past years. There were just no other options (well Mozilla could've registered a local legal entity, or employed a legal office to register the domain in their name - both pretty expensive options). I do believe that Mozilla was aware of this situation previously, I vaguely remember this same discussion - but I wouldn't know of-hand where was that documented.
This isn't worth arguing over, Reps simply don't have funding to pay for domain names. >> "We were about to lose the domain name of our community website and we should wait for someone to tell us what to do? Since when is Mozilla about authority and not community?" I appreciate that you needed the domain, and, if we can't get our hands on .mk domains, something will have to be arranged. However, please *never* spend money and then insist that Mozilla reimburses it. All requests need approval before hand, to avoid problems like this. I'm going to try my best to make a reimbursement this time, (this will be the only time I'm going to try. Next time, request beforehand), but we'll need confirmation from our registrar about the inability to register .mk domains, and I'll need an IT manager to approve. It's a very thin ground, and I can't be certain that we'll get approval for this, I'm afraid.
Assignee: computergeny → tom
(I forgot to mention that we certainly we get any movement with looking to reimburse this week, since employees are in Portland)
Jake, can we transfer a .mk to Mozilla's account?
Has any progress been made with this bug, so far?
Arzhel, can you ping anyone else to get info about this?
Flags: needinfo?(chiorean.ioana) → needinfo?(arzhel)
Adding a needinfo on the WebOps manager. Stephanie, can we transfer a .mk to Mozilla's account?
Flags: needinfo?(arzhel) → needinfo?(schan)
Hi Ruben- Is there an Mozilla official policy around ownership and payment for branded URLs used by the community? Thx, Jen
Reps Council is finishing an updated policy for this, but the general rule is that we transfer domains to MoCo and that expense goes to Community IT, now under Participation Team budget.
(In reply to Rubén Martín [:Nukeador] from comment #18) > Reps Council is finishing an updated policy for this, but the general rule > is that we transfer domains to MoCo and that expense goes to Community IT, > now under Participation Team budget. Thanks, Ruben. So, I think the outstanding question here is can we transfer the .mk to a Mozilla account?
(In reply to Rubén Martín [:Nukeador] from comment #18) > Reps Council is finishing an updated policy for this, but the general rule > is that we transfer domains to MoCo and that expense goes to Community IT, > now under Participation Team budget. Since when? We need to be told this stuff. We still don't even know how we access our budget, nevermind that people are spending it!
Created attachment 8569397 [details] EN_MARnet_policy.pdf Hi all, Per the Macedonian registry FAQs (https://registry.mk/faq.asp), it is now possible for Non-Macedonian organizations and individuals to own .mk domain names. It looks like the policy was changed in May 2014. Thanks Gorjan for making sure we didn't lose this domain name. Now that the policy has changed, I think it makes sense to transfer the domain name to Mozilla. I've attached the current policy of the .mk registry. Could you contact the registry and begin the paperwork? Mozilla will reimburse you for the cost of registering the domain name and any transfer costs. Ruben & Tom - We'll take it out of either the IT or Legal budget, not the Mozilla Reps budget. Once the transfer is in progress, we'll coordinate with MarkMonitor, who handles our domain name registrations. Please need info flag me if anyone has any questions or needs me to do anything.
Good deity, these things here move slower than the macedonian bureaucracy. Good thing Gorjan took proactive measures and the domain is not owned by Microsoft.mk or even worse Google. :)
Yeah, good thing we're finally moving forward with this. Thanks Liz.
I've contacted the registry and will keep this bug up to date as the transfer progresses.
The domain is paid for by me for the next 2 years (since the opening of this bug). I do not request that I be reimbursed for that anymore, let it be a contribution to the community. Lets just get this sorted out and the domain transferred so that no other members will have to be in the same position as me in the future.
Hey Liz - can we move this fw pls? Let us know what exactly need to be done from community side as I am not sure why this takes so long ( Ps: The community is not familiar with Mozilla's legal process - sorry for that)
clearing needinfos and reassigning to David. Since we can indeed transfer this domain, it should be very easy. I don't work on Community Ops anymore, but David has taken over my responsibilities David, Please file to webops for transfer.
Assignee: tom → jlensmeister
Assignee: jlensmeister → stefancosten
to move on with this we need to transfer mozilla.mk to Mozilla please see bug 1200594 for reference
Depends on: 1200594
Hey Goce You are added to the cc list of the blocker bug so you should be able to see it Please work with webops to transfer mozilla.mk to mozilla :)
Thanks Stefan. Will do. :)
Marking as done
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 3 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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