1106471 - User-feedback page doesn't work when javascript is disabled.

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(Input Graveyard :: Frontend, defect)

Description

[u328884]

This page:
https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback/firefox?
doesn't work when javascript is disabled.

Comment 1

[Will Kahn-Greene [:willkg] ET needinfo? me]

This is true. It won't work with JS disabled and never has. JS is a requirement for leaving feedback. I recognize this leaves some people out in the cold, but the engineering effort to build and maintain a JS-free version of the form isn't doable. Similarly, we don't support older browsers.

If someone else thinks this is a really important thing to have, wants to implement it and maintain it over the next 2 years, I'm game for looking at the resulting project plan and rethinking this decision.

For now I'm going to mark this as WONTFIX.

Comment 2

[u328884]

I object.

I believe that Bugzilla relies on javascript out of convenience, not necessity. Further, in the near term, a simple facility could be added to Mozilla products that allows bugs to be posted without enabling javascript for the entire product.

Furthermore, I object to a one-size-fits-all approach to bugs that fails to differentiate strategic implementation from tactical implementation. I believe that denying javascript-free users the ability to report bugs rises to the level of strategic decision and therefore should rise above the bug-level of decision making.

Furthermore, extending this decision logic, If Mozilla is not going to accept bugs from javascript-free users, it should remove from the browser the ability to disable javascript.

Comment 3

[Michael Cooper [:mythmon]]

1) This bug is about Input, a feedback collection mechanism, not Bugzilla.
2) Bugzilla works fine without JS.
3) Firefox *has* removed the ability to disable Javascript from the reach of the average user. It is now only in about:config and the devtools, both of which are targeted at users who should know better than to expect the internet to work when they disable it's programming language. About:config has a warning "Changing these settings can be harmful to the stability, security, and performance of this application". The devtools only allow temporarily disabling JS, not permanently.

Comment 4

[u328884]

(In reply to Mike Cooper [:mythmon] from comment #3)
> 1) This bug is about Input, a feedback collection mechanism, not Bugzilla.
Got my wires crossed, though Bugzilla also relies on javascript.

Doesn't feedback from javascript-free users count?

Comment 5

[Will Kahn-Greene [:willkg] ET needinfo? me]

Two things:

1. I'm Will. I'm not Mozilla. I don't speak on behalf of all of Mozilla everywhere. Stating Mozilla believes or does things based on a comment from me is a big big stretch.

2. JavaScript is an important part of the web and it, like several other technologies we use on Input, is a critical part of leaving feedback.

If this issue is important to you, I encourage you to take me up on my offer to do the research, implementation and maintenance work.

Comment 6

[u328884]

(In reply to Will Kahn-Greene [:willkg] from comment #5)
> Two things:
> 
> 1. I'm Will. I'm not Mozilla. I don't speak on behalf of all of Mozilla
> everywhere. Stating Mozilla believes or does things based on a comment from
> me is a big big stretch.

If you don't represent Mozilla, then what are you doing here replying to my bugs?

> 2. JavaScript is an important part of the web ...

It is not.

> ... and it, like several other
> technologies we use on Input, is a critical part of leaving feedback.

That is not a suitable argument. You state that things are the way they are because that's the way they are.

> If this issue is important to you, I encourage you to take me up on my offer
> to do the research, implementation and maintenance work.

That's an entirely inappropriate response. I'm not a programmer. This is a bug report form. It is for everyone, not exclusively programmers. To state that my only recourse is to become a programmer and hence to take on this as a project is cynical at best. Kindly refrain from making such absurd responses.

The javascript requirement limits the feedback that Mozilla gets to only people who have javascript enabled in the Mozilla, Firefox browser. That, and lending credence only to fellow programmers means that Mozilla (or at least you) are operating in an echo chamber.

Comment 7

[u328884]

(In reply to Mike Cooper [:mythmon] from comment #3)

> 2) Bugzilla works fine without JS.

If I disable javascript and attempt to open a new bug I get this: "You require JavaScript to use this bug entry form."

Interesting wording: "You require..."