1129537 - [Reading] naming : reader mode? reading list? #donotbikeshed

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Marketing :: Copy, task)

Description

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

Assigning to Matej to head up the naming.

Reader Mode is a good internal project name but might not be the name we want to go forward with externally; especially the 'mode' portion.

Similarly Reading List is our internal project name for the sidebar that will sync the pages you want to read later but might be the best name externally; counter point to that is that most other systems use this name.

Strings are due before Feb 23rd.

Comment 1

[Justin Dolske [:Dolske]]

Persona. (sorry)

Comment 2

[Matej Novak [:matej]]

(In reply to Bryan Clark (Firefox PM) [:clarkbw] from comment #0)
> Assigning to Matej to head up the naming.
> 
> Reader Mode is a good internal project name but might not be the name we
> want to go forward with externally; especially the 'mode' portion.

I would just go with "Reader." That way you could still use the term "Reader mode" in a sentence if you wanted to, but "Reader" would be the name within the product.

> Similarly Reading List is our internal project name for the sidebar that
> will sync the pages you want to read later but might be the best name
> externally; counter point to that is that most other systems use this name.

I think if "Reading List" is the standard, there's no reason to deviate here.

On the other hand, if this lives with bookmarks, could it just be another kind of bookmark? We could have "Sites" and "Articles" or something like that.

Comment 3

[Matej Novak [:matej]]

Another option I thought of is "Reading View" to go with "Reading List."

Comment 4

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

Karen, any opinions on the options here?

Comment 5

[Karen Rudnitski [:kar]]

I will strike anyone down who uses 'mode' externally. That, and they need to add $5 to the 'mode' jar.

I've been using Reader View as of late because that's what Safari uses, and sounds much better than 'mode'. My only hesitation is whether Apple will moan that we're using the same term - could go either way. 

Matej - when we originally landed the feature in fennec, we kept trying to simply refer to it as 'Reader' but got quickly stuck in marketing messages where it just sounded disjointed. Loved the concept, but sounds incomplete when you're trying to describe it in words.

My vote, there, is to keep it along the lines of Reader View / Reading View (variation thereof) and something like Reading List / My Reading List / My list (look at me trying to create an emotional attachment to a feature :) ). 

Not sure we could pull our 'articles' and 'sites' because as I rather like the idea, I'd want to parse it out MORE like 'recipes' and I'm not sure we have the ability to do that. I think a feature down the road would be to allow users to create their own lists, but we're not there yet - so something generic for now!

Comment 6

[Matej Novak [:matej]]

(In reply to Karen Rudnitski [:kar] from comment #5)
> 
> My vote, there, is to keep it along the lines of Reader View / Reading View
> (variation thereof) and something like Reading List / My Reading List / My
> list (look at me trying to create an emotional attachment to a feature :) ). 

I'm always hesitant to use things like "my" and "your" in the product because it's so hard to stay consistent. Sometimes a message asks you, the user, you want to do something, but other times it can refer to you in the first person.

I'll admit that I like "Reader View" more than "Reading View," but the latter is more descriptive and consistent with "Reading List."

Comment 7

[Markus Jaritz [:designakt] (UX)]

Reading List and Reading View sounds like a good good combination. 

Reading List suggest that it is a place to collect, and/or reminds of a todo list. Further it suggest being a collection a bit more distant to Bookmarks than just a folder, even if it - at least visually - still is.

Reading View clearly suggests that is the same page, but only a different angle on it, rather than being another "program" as Reader might suggest… Reader View sounds somewhat technical to me. (But I guess if Reader View, or Reading View sounds better is up to you native speakers.)

Comment 8

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

(In reply to Matej Novak [:matej] from comment #6)
> I'll admit that I like "Reader View" more than "Reading View," but the
> latter is more descriptive and consistent with "Reading List."

I like the "Reader View" and "Reading List" combo.  The two features are connected but not inseparable so this naming feels more inline with their attributes, however on the other hand its not necessary to make that known.

Can we finalize this by Wed Feb 18th?  I know the bug due date is set to Friday but a few bugs are waiting on this and Friday doesn't give the devs any time to land them.

Comment 9

[Karen Rudnitski [:kar]]

I am happy with that. 

NI-ng Anthony so he can check if there are any references to naming in the mobile product (android and ios, please).

Comment 10

[Matej Novak [:matej]]

Happy to hear that we seem to have consensus on this. Apart from checking the mobile versions, what else do we need to do to get this finalized?

Comment 11

[Anthony Lam (:antlam) Find me, @antlam on Slack!]

Reader View and Reading List - gotcha!

Comment 12

[Matej Novak [:matej]]

I just realized I misread comment 8.

Is everyone on board with "Reader" in one and "Reading" in the other?

Comment 13

[Michael Maslaney [:mmaslaney] ([e-mail])]

+1

Comment 14

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

(In reply to Matej Novak [:matej] from comment #12)
> Is everyone on board with "Reader" in one and "Reading" in the other?

on board with "Reader" in one and "Reading" in the other.

Comment 15

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

(quoting Matej over email)
> let’s go with Reader View and Reading List.

Reader View and Reading List