Open Bug 1261944 (awesome-try) Opened 4 years ago Updated 2 years ago

[meta] Tracking bug to make interacting with try server awesome


(Firefox Build System :: Try, defect)

Not set


(Not tracked)


(Reporter: ahal, Unassigned)


(Depends on 11 open bugs)


(Keywords: meta)

This effort originally came out of the desire to make debugging test failures easier. There are two ways to approach this problem.

A) Improve local debugging support (gdb, rr, valgrind, etc.)
B) Improve remote debugging support (logs, loaners, ssh/vnc based solutions)

Both these approaches are very important and worthy of time and effort. But we decided to focus on B) for several reasons:

* Based on a survey we sent out to developers last August, the most common theme by far was frustrations with try.
* Improving try helps everyone no matter what platform they use, whereas improving e.g OSX local debugging only helps people who have a mac to develop on.
* Local debugging is an itch that gets scratched from time to time by developers themselves. Whereas no one will focus on try improvements if not the ateam/releng.

So I started thinking of ways to make debugging test failures on try easier, and came to a realization: this problem is extremely vague and there is an entire range of improvements that can be made that aren't directly related to debugging, but that can make debugging easier.

For example, reducing the time it takes for a failure to surface makes debugging easier as you can iterate quickly, keeping pertinent debugging information fresh in your memory.

Then I thought, there are already methods to iterate quickly on try, but they aren't widely used because either people don't know about them, they are sort of flaky or they are hard to use. So now one can argue that UX/useability also improves debugging on try.

This kind of ballooned for awhile until I concluded that not only should debugging test results on try be easy and awesome, but that the entire overall experience of interacting with try should be easy and awesome. This is no small feat and spans many different sub-projects that have the potential to take quarters of time themselves.

This bug will track all the projects and changes we can think of that will help make interacting with try awesome. They will span many different projects and vary widely in time to completion. Not all of them will be high priority enough to receive attention.

The end goal is to build a comprehensive dependency tree filled down to all the actual units of work, complete with time estimates for each piece. This will hopefully help us look at the big picture, while letting us drill down enough to help us determine what to prioritize.

Finally, because "improve ability to debug test results on try" sounds really boring, and because most improvements at least indirectly impact this, I re-branded this effort to "make try awesome".
Depends on: 1261953
Depends on: 1262127
Depends on: 1262165
Depends on: 1262260
Depends on: 1262571
No longer depends on: 1262165
Depends on: 1218537
Depends on: hyperchunk
Depends on: 1252999
Depends on: 1237688
Depends on: 1263932
Depends on: 1263999
Depends on: 1234728
Depends on: 593096
Depends on: 1123814
No longer depends on: 1263932
Depends on: 1268481
Depends on: thunder-try
No longer depends on: 1237688
No longer depends on: 1268481
Depends on: 1280607
Depends on: 1285286
Depends on: fastci
Depends on: 1291696
Depends on: require-mach-try
Depends on: 1413928
Component: General → Try
Product: Testing → Firefox Build System
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