[Hebrew] Revise searchplugins list for browser

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2 years ago
2 years ago

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(Reporter: tomer, Unassigned)

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Description

2 years ago
Currently we have the following search plugins on the browser:
* google       (desktop and mobile)
* wikipedia-he (desktop and mobile)
* yahoo        (desktop only)
* ddg          (desktop only)
* morfix-dic   (desktop only)
* twitter      (mobile only)

After few years with no changes, I suggest to revise the list, and think again if we want to keep the list as-is or do some changes. 

Sources:
* Desktop searchplugins: https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dccfc624915b1bebe7975076e9b42bd46684cbc6/browser/locales/search/list.json#303-308
* Mobile searchplugins:  https://dxr.mozilla.org/l10n-central/rev/97b6eac578eb31c4912c98c6610d9001aabe0732/he/mobile/searchplugins/list.txt
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Comment 1

2 years ago
I'd prefer searchplugins with greatest values to the users. Google is probably a most, and Wikipedia is nice to have (although I'd be very happy if we could use the same search provider for multiple languages).

Yahoo and DuckDuckGo are not very common in Israel and among Hebrew readers as far as I can tell. 

A translation search plugin is very important, but I am unsure if Morfix is better than having Google Translate, Bing Translation, or Babylon.

Comment 2

2 years ago
(In reply to Tomer Cohen :tomer from comment #1)
> I'd prefer searchplugins with greatest values to the users. Google is
> probably a most, and Wikipedia is nice to have (although I'd be very happy
> if we could use the same search provider for multiple languages).

Wikipedia will have cross-language search Some Time Soon. I don't know when exactly unfortunately, but I hope for progress on this in 2017. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145918 for example.

Till then, I'd love to see plugins for both Hebrew and English Wikipedias. For example with "ע" and "E" letters added to the icons. Hebrew and English are the leading languages for Wikipedia readers in Israel, where most Hebrew speakers live. Though this is probably not surprising, I actually have data for this: https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdown.htm (search for Israel in the page).

> Yahoo and DuckDuckGo are not very common in Israel and among Hebrew readers
> as far as I can tell.

Indeed. I don't have data, but Israeli Firefox users repeatedly ask me why on Earth does Firefox has Yahoo as default, even though it's unpopular in Israel and not as good with Hebrew as Google is. Of course, Yahoo is enabled by default only for English-US builds, but all these people are Hebrew speakers, and it's the same.

DuckDuckGo could be kept as a nice nod to alternative and freer search world, but it is also far from being popular among non-geek Hebrew speakers.

> A translation search plugin is very important, but I am unsure if Morfix is
> better than having Google Translate, Bing Translation, or Babylon.

Morfix is currently the best technology as a _dictionary_. (Wikitionary would be nice as a Free replacement, but the content is not on par yet... let's talk again in a couple of years.)

Babylon has good dictionaries in terms of content, but AFAIK they are much more in the business of selling plugins and desktop software than in the business of free web-based lookup. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Google and Bing are more about machine text translation and not a dictionary. They do provide a true dictionary for several languages, e.g. Russian—English, but not for Hebrew.

So I'd stick to Morfix here.
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Comment 3

2 years ago
Two different Wikipedia plugins will make it too difficult to distinguish between them, and I afraid users will forget to choose the right one every time. Morfix is suffering from the very same problem - You just can't translate between Hebrew to English and back from English to Hebrew using the same search plugin.
Some notes which might be useful for the discussion.

Some search plugins should be kept, even if not extremely popular in the region. That's the case for Yahoo, Bing, and DDG (think of them as a requirement). A discussion can be started with Business Development (BD), but it would require data to support the removal, like concrete examples where the search engine falls short for your language. We had them for DDG in the past, and the result was that the search plugin was actually improved.

We don't ship multiple versions of Wikipedia in one locale, the exception was Belorussian and it was extremely confusing. It's either English or the localized version, with a strong preference for the latter. 
Changing the icon is a no-go, Wikipedia has extremely clear branding guidelines that were used to create the current icons.

Any new search plugin will need to go through BD approval. You get an idea by looking at bug 1193356.

(In reply to Amir Aharoni from comment #2)
> Indeed. I don't have data, but Israeli Firefox users repeatedly ask me why
> on Earth does Firefox has Yahoo as default, even though it's unpopular in
> Israel and not as good with Hebrew as Google is. Of course, Yahoo is enabled
> by default only for English-US builds, but all these people are Hebrew
> speakers, and it's the same.

I'm quite confused by this comment. Yahoo is default only for en-US builds in US territory.

Updated

2 years ago
Blocks: 1339663

Updated

2 years ago
No longer blocks: 1339663
See Also: → bug 1339663
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