Open Bug 1332472 Opened 7 years ago Updated 2 years ago

When printing headers and footers with vertical writing modes, ask Japanese users (or users of vertical WM languages) if it makes sense to rotate headers and footers according to writing mode. Spec does not state this definitively.

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(Core :: Layout, defect, P3)

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(Reporter: neerja, Unassigned)

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This bug was found and filed as part of the fix for Bug 1166147.
The headers/footers in question are generally something like the following:

>    Page Title     http://...wherever...
> 
>    1 of 1              1/19/17, 3:00 PM

I guess if we printed them vertically, they'd be running down the edges of the page (and we'd have to make sure we've got enough margin available for that -- right now, IIRC we specifically reserve some space at the top and bottom of the page for the header/footer, but we'd need to generify that code to support reserving space on the side instead).

My initial (perhaps culturally-biased/naive) guess is that it's not worth the extra complexity to enable this, given that 3/4 of the standard pieces of information are non-prose anyway (the URL, timestamp, page number) and probably aren't any more aesthetically pleasing when printed in a vertical orientation. (I suspect a vertical rendering of a URL would be harder to read, unless it was rotated. And then the user would have to rotate the page to read it, which is extra work.)
But of course we should indeed ask Japanese users if there are norms around how these headers should behave. 

CC'ing :Alice0775, :birtles, and :hiro to get some input. :)

The question is: in a printed rendering of a document with vertical text (like attachment 8607323 [details]), would it be better to have the title/URL/pagenumber/timestamp oriented vertically somehow, or is it just as good to have them horizontal (as they normally are in a printed portrait-orientation document)?
I'm pretty sure they should be horizontal. Japanese novels typically use vertical writing but have headers / footers / page numbers etc. oriented horizontally. For example: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/919rYArR5%2BL.jpg
Adding a few other Japanese speakers who might be able to comment if headers / footers should ever be aligned vertically.
Koji Ishii is japanese and writing-mode spec editor.
Although, I'm not so familiar with Japanese vertical writing mode layout manners, as far as I tested on Word 2010, it can puts only headers/footers on top and bottom of each page (even if the direction is portrait or landscape). On the other hand, page number can be put anywhere.
Ah, good question. There are both cases, I guess CSS paged media may want to allow author controls (or have it? I'm not following the spec very well.)

In most modern books, headers/footers are at top/bottom in horizontal flow, I'd say it's more common and is appropriate to default.

Maybe opposite decades ago, I'm not very certain which was more common in the past but I saw vertical headers/footers in old (30-50 years) books.
FWIW, Chinese novels I've read always put the header, page number etc. horizontally. They're "writing-mode: rl;" as Japanese ones.
Priority: -- → P3
I think that in Taiwan, vertical headers/footers are not uncommon in modern printed materials. For example:

http://www.168books.com.tw/pic/8244/8244_03.jpg
http://68.media.tumblr.com/f502cc079c7508c223441ede77e355d8/tumblr_murfyz0znQ1sueokvo7_1280.jpg
http://img.ruten.com.tw/s2/5/7d/de/21628072297950_831.jpg

It could be good to have the option available for pages with vertical text.
Siqinbilige,

In Mongolian (traditional Mongolian) printed materials, the page header and page footer are respectively on the physical left and physical right of the page: am I correct?
(In reply to Gérard Talbot from comment #14)
> Siqinbilige,
> 
> In Mongolian (traditional Mongolian) printed materials, the page header and
> page footer are respectively on the physical left and physical right of the
> page: am I correct?

Yes, you are correct.
Severity: normal → S3
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