13866 - Migrate web pages and mailing lists from gila to tegu

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(mozilla.org Graveyard :: Server Operations, task, P3)

Description

[Noah Friedman]

gila is woefully underpowered.  All the services need to be
migrated from gila to tegu.

Not sure who ultimately will work on this task, but I wanted to
get it entered into the database.

Comment 1

[Dan Mosedale (:dmosedale, :dmose)]

This is in the IS database as Call 175728.

Comment 2

[Risto Kotalampi]

Let's just use gila until the owner of the machine really wants it back.

Comment 3

[Noah Friedman]

As I wrote in my original description, this is not about returning gila
to its rightful owners, but rather that gila does not have enough memory or disk
to serve efficiently all the tasks which it presently performs.  The machine was
loaned before the E450 servers were shipped; it was never intended to be used as
a production system for so long.

Comment 4

[Risto Kotalampi]

gila is only handling mail and web server, and I haven't seen it being
overloaded. It needs more disks though.

Comment 5

[Noah Friedman]

I talked to Endico about this and she agrees this is not
of paramount importance right now.  So, sorry to have reopened.

Comment 6

[Risto Kotalampi]

Let's get this done... we need to decommission gila finally. Now tegu don't have 
cvs-mirror anymore so we have one machine almost unused.

Comment 7

[Risto Kotalampi]

Services to be migrated:
- www, with newsbot & htdig
- mozilla.org email, smartlist
- ssh logins to be rewritten using ssh-agent & non-empty RSA key passwords
- docs cvs-server

Comment 8

[Risto Kotalampi]

*** Bug 38632 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 9

[Risto Kotalampi]

Comment about ssh: once gila will be going away every host will get their own 
authorized_keys file. We are currently planning to build "ssh key management" 
tool to be used to distribute keys from central location to different hosts and 
that's where mozilla.org servers can also go.

Comment 10

[Risto Kotalampi]

also, there's bonsai running on current gila for docs root

Comment 11

[Dawn Endico]

people currently access the cvs repository for the doc tree as
"gila.mozilla.org". Lets not break this. Most people would find
it very painful to have to re-pull their doc tree with a different
name. I guess that means moving this service last.

You were planning to move the gila name to tegu, right?

Comment 12

[Risto Kotalampi]

Yes, the plan was to put gila as a CNAME to tegu.

Comment 13

[Risto Kotalampi]

I think I want to wait until new E220R servers before getting to this. Ie. let's 
put www/email/mail lists etc to one of those and use tegu for something else, 
for example dedicated bugzilla server (because tegu is E450 and more powerful). 
email/www/mail lists won't need E450, E220 is fine but bugzilla might need more 
power.

Comment 14

[Risto Kotalampi]

Just as a thought...

How about migrating mailing lists and all mozilla.org emails to Netscape's mail 
servers? We have done this succesfully to couple of new acquires (just last 
night I integrated iamaze.com into our mail systems). All mozilla.org emails 
could be handled with virtusertables and mailing lists could be integrated into 
Aka.

This would mean that all mailing list issues would be supported like any other 
lists and mail relays would be existing Netscape infrastructure.

Just a thought that IMHO would make a lot of sense.

Comment 15

[Dan Mosedale (:dmosedale, :dmose)]

I see two problems with that solution:

It puts a whole bunch of mozilla.org infrastructure on machines that we can't 
give non-Netscape contributors (eg blizzard, shaver) administrative access to.

It is a step away from centralizing mozilla.org's user info in a 
publicly accessible LDAP server, rather than a step towards that.

Comment 16

[Risto Kotalampi]

Moving to nobody until we have better picture of where we'll be going with 
mozilla.org support by IC.

Comment 17

[Risto Kotalampi]

Per discussion with Dawn 3/22/01 marking this as WONTFIX. Gila will make a good 
web and mail server. Instead what we need to do is to migrate cvs server off 
from it to cvs.mozilla.org, and bonsai/mysql to lounge. Let's use tegu as a 
powerful server to something where you need that power, and mail/www isn't such 
an application and we could keep it on gila (assuming we will be able to fix the 
disk space problems).