142231 - template/.cvsignore should contain es, de, ... not custom

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Bugzilla :: User Interface, defect)

Description

[Tobias Burnus]

The .cvsignore file in ./template/ contains presently custom. Since custom moved
to ./template/en/ this is no longer needed.
Instead it would be nice if it contained languages which are not in CVS (yet?).
If I recall correctly there are presently only Spanish and German (es, de), but
there might be others.

Comment 1

[Tobias Burnus]

Attachment: Simple patch: Remove custom add 'de' and 'es' to template/.cvsignore

Comment 2

[Bradley Baetz (:bbaetz)]

The idea is that those languages would be added to cvs, though, right? We can't
.cvsignore everything except for {en,.cvsignore}, can we?

Comment 3

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Whether the languages are added to CVS is a decision Dave has to make - he'll
presumably either set some policy, or decide on a case-by-case basis. 

If there's no way to get .cvsignore to ignore "all except {set}" then we should
just add whatever languages to .cvsignore that people ask us to (and remove them
if their language ever gets checked in.)

Or does that approach have problems?

Gerv

Comment 4

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

I'd like to check them in as long as we can get people willing to maintain them.

Maybe we can add components for the language sets that assign to the people
maintaining them...

Comment 5

[Jouni Heikniemi]

I think Dave's on the right track there. Using the main Bugzilla CVS is probably
best for the translations as long as there isn't another good place for a
Bugzilla translation community. 

Could you people then configure a cvs loginfo script so that every time
something is committed into the templates/en tree, a new
[e-mail] (for example) mailing list would receive the cvs diff?
I'm going start a Finnish translation at some point and I'd very much like to
stay up to date with the template modifications (without the strain of
frequently checking yet another bookmarked bonsai query). 

Comment 6

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Dave said:
> I'd like to check them in as long as we can get people willing to maintain them.

That's cool, but I don't think they should be part of the default pull. It's
bloated enough already with 3 copies of the docs. ;-)

Jouni said:
> I'd very much like to stay up to date with the template modifications

I would say it's far more work than necessary to update any translation
constantly. You should do so only at release time (hopefully we'll be releasing
more frequently in the future.) 

It's far easier to have the simple rule that "translations don't work (or are
not supported) in CVS" than to have something like "Er, some translations work
at the moment - to find out exactly which ones, consult the authors, and hope
that by the time they reply we haven't broken anything in the mean time".

Anyway, if someone's doing "de" and "es" then we can add them to .cvsignore.
2xr=gerv on the patch.

Gerv

Comment 7

[Jouni Heikniemi]

>I would say it's far more work than necessary to update any translation
>constantly. You should do so only at release time (hopefully we'll be releasing
>more frequently in the future.) 

You people set the rules on what gets into the cvs (and when). You decide
whether you offer template change notifications. But please, don't base your
rulings on thoughts about what is necessary for someone else. That cannot be
known in a project like this. 

I know that at least I won't be updating any translations continously, but I'd
still like to receive the template notifications to stay informed of changes
that could potentially be worth doing even before the release. This applies
especially since our installation seems to have an continously increasing need
of both a good translation and running fairly close to the cvs tip (meaning that
waiting for releases is not always acceptable). 

>It's far easier to have the simple rule that "translations don't work (or are
>not supported) in CVS" than to have something like "Er, some translations work
>at the moment - to find out exactly which ones, consult the authors, and hope
>that by the time they reply we haven't broken anything in the mean time".

I agree with you on this 100%. Personally I couldn't care less if translations
were checked in only once per release. It's probably quite impossible to have
most of them even remotely up-to-date in CVS between releases anyway. But IMO,
all this still doesn't make informing the translators about template changes
unnecessary.

Comment 8

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

OK, that's a fair point (or several fair points.)

I don't know if such a script can be set up - if Dave approves, we'd need to
file a bug on mozilla.org and get Myk or Dawn to either set it up or file one on
AOL server ops.

Gerv

Comment 9

[Myk Melez [:myk] [@mykmelez]]

>This applies
>especially since our installation seems to have an continously increasing need
>of both a good translation and running fairly close to the cvs tip (meaning that
>waiting for releases is not always acceptable). 

b.m.o has the same need, and other installations do too.  We discussed it a few
months ago and decided to start releasing "developers" releases every month or
two after 2.16 gets released.  These releases won't have specific release goals,
so they can't get delayed like 2.16, but they will have short pre-release
freezes (probably about a week) to ensure some measure of stability.  So, the
situation should shortly get better.

Comment 10

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Comment on attachment 82327 [details] [diff] [review]
Simple patch: Remove custom add 'de' and 'es' to template/.cvsignore

2xr=gerv.

Gerv

Comment 11

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Fixed.

Checking in template/.cvsignore;
/cvsroot/mozilla/webtools/bugzilla/template/.cvsignore,v  <--  .cvsignore
new revision: 1.3; previous revision: 1.2
done

Gerv