1433741 - [mr] Verify plural rule for Marathi (currently #1)

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: mr / Marathi, enhancement)

Description

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Gecko products: rule #1, 2 forms, like English
1st form [one]: for 1
2nd form [other]: for any other number, including 0

Pontoon: n!=1, so same as Gecko products

CLDR: 0 is like 1, so rule should be #2 in Gecko (n > 1)
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/dev/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html#mr

The impact on product is minimal: same number of forms, and normally a special string is used for the 0 case, but it would be good to set the correct plural form.

Comment 1

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Clarifying the actual ask for the team.

Consider English for example. You would say:
- 0 cats
- 1 cat
- 2 cats
etc.

0 uses the same form of other numbers greater than 1. This is rule #1 internally.

Right now, according to Pontoon and Gecko products (Firefox, Firefox for Android, Thunderbird, etc.), your locale is using the same rule.

According to CLDR, for your locale 0 should use the same form as 1. Hoping that Google Translate is correct:
- 0 मांजर
- 1 मांजर
- 2 मांजरी
etc.

Which one is correct?

Comment 2

[Aniket Deshpande]

I would divide the issue in four different parts:

1. The plural rule applies. (as mentioned in previous comment)

2. The plural rule does not apply. 
for example, 
Stone - दगड, stones - दगड
Man - पुरूष, Men - पुरूष

3. The instances where we have to transliterate.
for example
Desktop - डेस्कटॉप, Desktops - डेस्कटॉप
File - फाईल, Files - फाईल

4. The instance where we have to keep the keyword as it is.
for example,
URL

We have to see the sentence construction to identify whether a word has been used in sigular / plural form.

Comment 3

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

@Aniket
I'm afraid my request wasn't particularly clear. 

The doubt is not about plurals is general, but how the form for '0' behaves: does it behave like 1 or like any other number?

Note that I expect the change to have no practical impact on product strings, since the case for 0 is always implicitly excluded or treated separately. Consider the following example:

> Close one tab;Close #1 tabs

The case for 0 is never used, you always have at least 1 tab to close. Most strings are like this.

But, consider this example:

> There is one message to read;There are #1 messages to read

For English, 0 would use the second form: "There are 0 messages to read". What about Marathi? How would you translate these 3 strings?

There are 0 messages to read
There is 1 message to read
There are 2 messages to read

Note that you have to keep the number in your translation, and you are not allowed to use forms like "no messages".

Comment 4

[Aniket Deshpande]

(In reply to Francesco Lodolo [:flod] from comment #3)
> @Aniket
> I'm afraid my request wasn't particularly clear. 
> 
> The doubt is not about plurals is general, but how the form for '0' behaves:
> does it behave like 1 or like any other number?
> 
0 behaves like any other number or we could say plural.

> Note that I expect the change to have no practical impact on product
> strings, since the case for 0 is always implicitly excluded or treated
> separately. Consider the following example:
> 
> > Close one tab;Close #1 tabs
> 
> The case for 0 is never used, you always have at least 1 tab to close. Most
> strings are like this.
> 
> But, consider this example:
> 
> > There is one message to read;There are #1 messages to read
> 
> For English, 0 would use the second form: "There are 0 messages to read".
> What about Marathi? How would you translate these 3 strings?
> 
It will be same as in English.
> There are 0 messages to read
> There is 1 message to read
> There are 2 messages to read
> 
वाचण्यासाठी 0 संदेश आहेत
वाचण्यासाठी 1 संदेश आहे
वाचण्यासाठी 2 संदेश आहेत

> Note that you have to keep the number in your translation, and you are not
> allowed to use forms like "no messages".

Please let me know if it answers the question.

Comment 5

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Thanks Aniket, it definitely answers the question. I think we need to report this back to CLDR, and one thing I learned recently (after filing the bug) is that it helps to use the same examples they have.

http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/dev/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html#mr

The example for 0,1 is 

१ घर

And for 2 is

२ घरे

Following CLDR, 0 would result in

० घर

While it should be

० घरे

Is that correct?

Comment 6

[Aniket Deshpande]

(In reply to Francesco Lodolo [:flod] from comment #5)
> Thanks Aniket, it definitely answers the question. I think we need to report
> this back to CLDR, and one thing I learned recently (after filing the bug)
> is that it helps to use the same examples they have.
> 
> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/dev/supplemental/language_plural_rules.
> html#mr
> 
It definitely helps.
> The example for 0,1 is 
> 
> १ घर
> 
> And for 2 is
> 
> २ घरे
> 
> Following CLDR, 0 would result in
> 
> ० घर
> 
> While it should be
> 
> ० घरे
> 
> Is that correct?
Yes. correct.

Comment 7

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Thanks, then the bug is fixed, and I'll open a ticket on CLDR.