1468391 - Inconsistency in Slovenian Translation of Nightly

Status: RESOLVED INVALID

(Mozilla Localizations :: sl / Slovene, defect)

Description

[tripatmu]

Attachment: Slovenian Bugs.pdf

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_12_6) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.1.1 Safari/605.1.15

Steps to reproduce:

Install Mozilla Nightly browser (62.0a1 64-bit) using the language pack in Slovenian - Mac OS desktop version.

Using the menu option, click on Firefox Nightly. 
The header menu display's Nightly as "O Nightlyu" and in the second version it shows "Izhod iz Nightlya". In both cases, the word "Nightly" is inconsistent. 

Additionally, using the menu option, click on Promoč. 
The header menu display's Nightly as "Promoč za Nightly" and in the second version it shows "Predstavitev Nightlya". In the first case, Nightly is used appropriately whereas in the second scenario, the word "Nightly" is inconsistent.



Actual results:

The actual results are Firefox Nightly and Promoč menu with translation of word Nightly as either Nightlyu or Nightlya or Nightly resulting in lack of consistency for the verbiage.



Expected results:

The expected result must have Firefox Nightly and Promoč menu with the correct translation for the word Nightly which in most cases must be "Nightly" itself. Therefore, the expected result would be: 
Firefox Nightly Menu - "O Nightly" instead of "O Nightlyu"
Firefox Nightly Menu -"Izhod iz Nightly" instead of "Izhod iz Nightlya"
Promoč - "Predstavitev Nightly" instead of "Predstavitev Nightlya"

Comment 1

[peter_klofutar]

Slovenian language uses declensions for nouns.  If you don't speak Slovenian, don't report such idiotic things.

Comment 2

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

(In reply to peter_klofutar from comment #1)
> Slovenian language uses declensions for nouns.  If you don't speak
> Slovenian, don't report such idiotic things.

Peter, this kind of language won't be tolerated. I suggest you take a look at
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/policies/participation/

You could have simply phrased you reply as "We decided to declense the name of the product, that's why it shows up as Nightlya in some places, etc. That's not an error, it's expected". No need for words as "idiotic".

@peter
I wondered about your understanding of the language when I read the bug report. Several languages adapt nouns to their grammar role in a sentence, and that's the case for Slovenian. While brand names are an edge case, this is not really an error, more a policy issue that we're actively trying to fix.

Comment 3

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

I wondered about your understanding of the language when I read the bug report. 

Several languages adapt nouns to their grammar role in a sentence, and that's the case for Slovenian. While brand names are an edge case, this is not really an error, more a policy issue that we're actively trying to fix.

Comment 4

[peter_klofutar]

Sorry for the above comment (comment 1).  The comment wasn't intended as I never hit the 'Save changes' button.  When  tried to refresh the page to see any new comments, the site asked me if I wanted to resend the data.  I clicked 'Resend' and the text I had in the comment box got posted anyway.

Comment 5

[Matjaz Horvat [:mathjazz]]

Confirming that the reported translations are OK.

Comment 6

[tripatmu]

My apologizes for any inconveniences. Yes, I don't understand the language. I was doing translation for Gujarati localization and was looking around browsers in different languages. I was thinking this as more of a branding issue, because of the specific usage of the name Nightly. I compared browsers in Hindi, Gujarati, Arabic, Greek, Spanish, and Dutch where I found the word Nightly to remain the same throughout despite changes in scripting. For example, Hindi uses Devanagari script and Arabic uses its own script. So, I realized that this was inconsistent in Slovene in comparison to other browsers. There is some similar issue I found in the Dutch version of Nightly, but now I am a little reluctant to report after seeing the comment from Peter.

Thank you!

Comment 7

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

(In reply to tripatmu from comment #6)
> My apologizes for any inconveniences. Yes, I don't understand the language.
> I was doing translation for Gujarati localization and was looking around
> browsers in different languages. I was thinking this as more of a branding
> issue, because of the specific usage of the name Nightly. I compared
> browsers in Hindi, Gujarati, Arabic, Greek, Spanish, and Dutch where I found
> the word Nightly to remain the same throughout despite changes in scripting.
> For example, Hindi uses Devanagari script and Arabic uses its own script.
> So, I realized that this was inconsistent in Slovene in comparison to other
> browsers. There is some similar issue I found in the Dutch version of
> Nightly, but now I am a little reluctant to report after seeing the comment
> from Peter.

We're aware of some branding issues, and discussing about changing the policy to allow transcription and declensions (historically they were allowed). 

Reporting bugs without understanding the language is definitely a risk. In this case, declensing the name is necessary, either you do it on the brand ("Nightly") or add an accessory noun (e.g. "browser Nightly"), and declense that.

Comment 8

[peter_klofutar]

(In reply to peter_klofutar from comment #4)

Sorry for the above comment (comment 1). The comment wasn't intended as I
never hit the 'Save changes' button. When tried to refresh the page to see
any new comments, the site asked me if I wanted to resend the data. I
clicked 'Resend' and the text I had in the comment box got posted anyway.

This bug needs to be fixed.