1487436 - [Legal]: Firefox ScreenshotGo About Right and Privacy Notice - Setup in GitHub/Localization

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: id / Indonesian, enhancement)

Description

[Peiying Mo [:CocoMo]]

Tasks:
- Create English doc (Mika)
- Set up in GitHub (Peiying)
- Localization (l10n agency)
- Review (community)
- Production push (pmac)

Comment 1

[Mika]

I'm meeting with Joe today to go over the product and will draft the PN next week

Comment 2

[Peiying Mo [:CocoMo]]

*Source*: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QMnw09YXCIHLlo-BtFiJ7S5YvdlX6Uz2UJuKE1I3ovE/edit?ts=5b99d64b

Files are set up. 

@Mika, please review the docs in GitHub. I need some information before they are truly final.

* Privacy Notice: https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/blob/master/firefox_screenshotgo_privacy_notice/en-US.md
- Should the file name be Privacy or Privacy Notice?
- What is the link to the telemetry documentation?

* About Rights: https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/blob/master/firefox_screenshotgo_about_rights/en-US.md
- What is the Privacy Notice it is referring to? Link? Does it point to the above doc? Confirm the file name so they stay consistent.

Comment 4

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #2)
> - What is the link to the telemetry documentation?

sorry for jumping in, we plan to maintain the telemetry document in this link[1]. Note in Rocket we have wiki page for it but want to go with .md this time as we'd like to bundle the documentation update with code change in each code commit. And I assume this is fine as long as we keep the documentation in a public and fixe place, and up to date? (or this will be @Mika's discretion?)

Thanks!

[1] https://github.com/mozilla-tw/Scryer/blob/master/Telemetry.md

Comment 5

[Mika]

(In reply to Wesly Huang (EPM) from comment #4)
> (In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #2)
> > - What is the link to the telemetry documentation?
> 
> sorry for jumping in, we plan to maintain the telemetry document in this
> link[1]. Note in Rocket we have wiki page for it but want to go with .md
> this time as we'd like to bundle the documentation update with code change
> in each code commit. And I assume this is fine as long as we keep the
> documentation in a public and fixe place, and up to date? (or this will be
> @Mika's discretion?)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> [1] https://github.com/mozilla-tw/Scryer/blob/master/Telemetry.md

The .md file Wesly pointed to in Comment 4 is fine.  One note - can you rename the top level file so it's clear that it's Firefox ScreenshotGo.  Right now it's called "Scryer" - I assume that's a codename?

Comment 6

[Mika]

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #2)
> *Source*:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QMnw09YXCIHLlo-
> BtFiJ7S5YvdlX6Uz2UJuKE1I3ovE/edit?ts=5b99d64b
> 
> Files are set up. 
> 
> @Mika, please review the docs in GitHub. I need some information before they
> are truly final.
> 
> * Privacy Notice:
> https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/blob/master/
> firefox_screenshotgo_privacy_notice/en-US.md
> - Should the file name be Privacy or Privacy Notice?
> - What is the link to the telemetry documentation?
> 
> * About Rights:
> https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/blob/master/
> firefox_screenshotgo_about_rights/en-US.md
> - What is the Privacy Notice it is referring to? Link? Does it point to the
> above doc? Confirm the file name so they stay consistent.

I tried to change the title in the repo to "Privacy Notice" - thanks for calling that out! All that needs to change now is updating the link to telemetry info.

The "About Your Rights" notice is good.

Comment 7

[Peiying Mo [:CocoMo]]

@Mike, @Wesly,I have updated the telemetry link and the title to Privacy Notice.

@Mika, in the About Right file, the Privacy Notice link in the last paragraph is only a placeholder. Does this link point to Firefox ScreenshotGo Privacy Notice doc? If so, we have to ask Eric what the actual link should be.

I will get these docs localized while we wait for the decision on the link.

Comment 8

[Mika]

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #7)

> @Mika, in the About Right file, the Privacy Notice link in the last
> paragraph is only a placeholder. Does this link point to Firefox
> ScreenshotGo Privacy Notice doc? If so, we have to ask Eric what the actual
> link should be.

Correct - it should go to the URL for Firefox ScreenshotGo Privacy Notice.

Comment 9

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

(In reply to Mika from comment #5)
> The .md file Wesly pointed to in Comment 4 is fine.  One note - can you
> rename the top level file so it's clear that it's Firefox ScreenshotGo. 
> Right now it's called "Scryer" - I assume that's a codename?

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #7)
> @Mike, @Wesly,I have updated the telemetry link and the title to Privacy
> Notice.

@Mika: Thanks for pointing it out. We'll be replacing the code name with product name so the right link will become:

https://github.com/mozilla-tw/ScreenshotGo/blob/master/Telemetry.md

@Peiying

1. would you help update the link as well? (in comment#7 you said already took the previous link of telemetry doc)
2. I see "About Rights" appeared in the above comments and your Github link. Should that be "Your Rights"? I assume the word "About" is referring to the "About" page in our App. (Settings --> About --> Your Rights) Shouldn't be a big issue but just let you know.

Thanks.

Comment 10

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Attachment: About page.jpg

the screenshot of the App's "About" page, which contains 3 parts:

1. Support
2. Your Rights
3. Privacy Notice

Comment 11

[Peiying Mo [:CocoMo]]

@Wesly, 

- The link: I can update this, but the page contains is full of references to the code name "Scryer". Is anyone rewriting the doc? Let's make sure it is consistent between the title and the content.
- About Rights: I didn't come up with the name. I am following the naming convention of the other legal docs of the same topic: Firefox, Thunderbird, Firefox Reality, and now ScreenshotGo. It's easy for me to change it to whatever the decision might be. Let me know.

Comment 12

[Eric Renaud [:erenaud]]

Mika:

What are the intended URLs for these two pages?

Right now I think they'll go out as:

/privacy/firefox_screenshotgo_privacy_notice/
/about/legal/terms/firefox_screenshotgo_about_rights/

Should we make them:

/privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/
/about/legal/terms/firefox_screenshotgo/

Comment 13

[Mika]

(In reply to Eric Renaud [:erenaud] from comment #12)
> Mika:
> 
> What are the intended URLs for these two pages?
> 
> Right now I think they'll go out as:
> 
> /privacy/firefox_screenshotgo_privacy_notice/
> /about/legal/terms/firefox_screenshotgo_about_rights/
> 
> Should we make them:
> 
> /privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/
> /about/legal/terms/firefox_screenshotgo/

Your proposal is great - Thank you!

Comment 14

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Thanks, Peiying!

1. The link: we're updating its content and will replace all the "Scryer" with "ScreenshotGo".
2. About Rights: got it and learned, thanks for the clarification!

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #11)
> @Wesly, 
> 
> - The link: I can update this, but the page contains is full of references
> to the code name "Scryer". Is anyone rewriting the doc? Let's make sure it
> is consistent between the title and the content.
> - About Rights: I didn't come up with the name. I am following the naming
> convention of the other legal docs of the same topic: Firefox, Thunderbird,
> Firefox Reality, and now ScreenshotGo. It's easy for me to change it to
> whatever the decision might be. Let me know.

Comment 15

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Hi Eric:

In our previous mail[1] discussion, there was an in-product URL[2] of PN for us to integrate (settings --> about).
Are we supposed to use the new one you proposed (and supported by Mike), like[3]?

Or they are in fact for the different purpose? Thanks.

[1] subject: [Screenshot Go] Project Planning - Privacy Notice (from compose to publish)
[2] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/screenshot-go/
[3] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/

(In reply to Mika from comment #13)
> (In reply to Eric Renaud [:erenaud] from comment #12)
> > Mika:
> > 
> > What are the intended URLs for these two pages?
> > Should we make them:
> > 
> > /privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/
> 
> Your proposal is great - Thank you!

Comment 16

[Peiying Mo [:CocoMo]]

@Wesly, I have updated the link to include the product name. I will update the links in the localized files when they are delivered by the agency.

Comment 17

[Peiying Mo [:CocoMo]]

Indonesian files are on GitHub with updated links proposed above. I will let the community know and see if they want to review them.

Comment 18

[Eric Renaud [:erenaud]]

(In reply to Wesly Huang (EPM) from comment #15)
> Hi Eric:
> 
> In our previous mail[1] discussion, there was an in-product URL[2] of PN for
> us to integrate (settings --> about).
> Are we supposed to use the new one you proposed (and supported by Mike),
> like[3]?
> 
> Or they are in fact for the different purpose? Thanks.
> 
> [1] subject: [Screenshot Go] Project Planning - Privacy Notice (from compose
> to publish)
> [2] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/screenshot-go/
> [3] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/
> 
> (In reply to Mika from comment #13)
> > (In reply to Eric Renaud [:erenaud] from comment #12)
> > > Mika:
> > > 
> > > What are the intended URLs for these two pages?
> > > Should we make them:
> > > 
> > > /privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/
> > 
> > Your proposal is great - Thank you!

I hope I understand the question and that I'm providing an intelligent answer here . . .

We need to maintain consistency in product naming and the corresponding URL patterns and, from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1487436#c6, my understanding is that we are talking about two different pages/URLs

#1 - the Privacy Notice:

     If Screenshot go is in the family of Firefox products like these then we should follow that pattern:

     https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox-fire-tv/
     https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox-reality/


     *IF* however, ScreenshotsGo is a distinct product like Thunderbird (https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/thunderbird/)
     we can follow that pattern.

#2 - The About Your Rights (Legal Terms) page:

The about/legal/terms page should follow the same pattern as:

https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/terms/firefox-hello/

------------------------


If the question is whether the product should be referred to in a URL as:

/firefox_screenshotgo/

or

/firefox_screenshot-go/

I think that's entirely up to Product, we just need that call made and confirmed here so when we create the URL when standing up each page it accords to those that are pointed to from in the product itself.

Comment 19

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Thanks, Eric, and sorry for the confusion. My question came from the difference between the old PN URL you provided in the mail[1][2](which we already integrated into our App), and the new one in comment#12[3]. Also thanks for the clarification and now I learned the logic! Maybe Product & Legal have a conclusion already just I'm not aware of, so allow me to ask.

> > [1] mail subject: [Screenshot Go] Project Planning - Privacy Notice (from compose to publish)
> > [2] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/screenshot-go/
> > [3] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/

@Chloe @Mika, would you help me learn if ScreenshotGo is a distinct product(so we use [2] for PN URL), or belongs to Firefox product family (so we go with [3] for PN URL)? I guess it's the later per comment#13? Thanks.

>      If Screenshot go is in the family of Firefox products like these then
> we should follow that pattern:
> 
>      https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox-fire-tv/
>      https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox-reality/
>
>      *IF* however, ScreenshotsGo is a distinct product like Thunderbird
> (https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/thunderbird/)
>      we can follow that pattern.

Comment 20

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Thanks, Peiying. I compared the links in those files and noticed a place of About Rights need to be corrected: in en version[1] the privacy notice links to[3] while in id version the link points to[4]. This is also pending on the decision of comment#19 that waiting for Chloe's input.

[1] https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/blob/master/firefox_screenshotgo_about_rights/en-US.md
[2] https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/blob/master/firefox_screenshotgo_about_rights/id.md

[3] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox_screenshotgo/
[4] https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/screenshot-go/

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #17)
> Indonesian files are on GitHub with updated links proposed above. I will let
> the community know and see if they want to review them.

Comment 21

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Sorry, Peiying, just one last thing. I assume we don't need to wait for the review feedback from the community to proceed the production push? The only thing left before production is the URL format in comment#19 and corresponding update in comment#20.

Also ni pmac for notice, feel free to chime in if any. (guess we only need to resolve about dependencies and give you a date for production push?)

Thanks!

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #17)
> I will let the community know and see if they want to review them.

(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #0)
> Tasks:
> - Create English doc (Mika)
> - Set up in GitHub (Peiying)
> - Localization (l10n agency)
> - Review (community)
> - Production push (pmac)

Comment 22

[Paul [:pmac] McLanahan]

(In reply to Wesly Huang (EPM) from comment #21) 
> Also ni pmac for notice, feel free to chime in if any. (guess we only need
> to resolve about dependencies and give you a date for production push?)

I think all I need is:

- Final desired URL. If /privacy/screenshot-go/ is already in the app that's fine with me. 
- Whether to link to this policy from the sidebar of /privacy/
- What logo to use at the top of the document and the sidebar link if the answer to #2 is yes.
- The date and time that this needs to be in production.

I would recommend against using an underscore in the URL as all of the others use dashes. So /screenshot-go/ is fine, but if we want Firefox in the URL then something like /firefox-screenshot-go/ or /firefox-screenshotgo/ would be my recommendations. But all that's really necessary is that it be unique and stable. So if it's already in use then in my opinion /screenshot-go/ will work fine.

Comment 23

[Peiying Mo [:CocoMo]]

Thanks to all the input on the URL. I have updated the URLs pointing to PN to /firefox-screenshotgo/ in en-US and id files.

Also, the community review was completed too. They are ready to go live.

Comment 24

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Thanks, Paul!

Confirmed with Chloe and Joe that the answers are below:

(In reply to Paul [:pmac] McLanahan ⏰ET needinfo? me from comment #22)
> I think all I need is: 
> - Final desired URL. If /privacy/screenshot-go/ is already in the app that's fine with me.

Let's go with /firefox-screenshotgo/ so the full link would be https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox-screenshotgo/

> - Whether to link to this policy from the sidebar of /privacy/

TBD, we may want to add Rocket too and Product will discuss with Legal to make the final decision (ETA Thursday Taipei time)

> - What logo to use at the top of the document and the sidebar link if the answer to #2 is yes.

Would you help us learn the preferred logo size and file format for both? We will provide the logo for the top of the document first. (and the one for sidebar later, if needed) 

> - The date and time that this needs to be in production.

It's Sep. 28 for the main doc. (/privacy/screenshot-go/) And the update of /privacy/ page (if deemed needed) can be done later since we have TBD items (of course, Sep. 28 will be great if we can do that in time!)

Comment 25

[Paul [:pmac] McLanahan]

(In reply to Wesly Huang (EPM) from comment #24)
> Let's go with /firefox-screenshotgo/ so the full link would be
> https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/firefox-screenshotgo/

Great
 
> Would you help us learn the preferred logo size and file format for both? We
> will provide the logo for the top of the document first. (and the one for
> sidebar later, if needed) 

The size is not important for this discussion. Given a high-quality image we can make the proper sizes. We just need to know which logo to use (e.g. Firefox Quantum, Rocket, etc.).

> It's Sep. 28 for the main doc. (/privacy/screenshot-go/) And the update of
> /privacy/ page (if deemed needed) can be done later since we have TBD items
> (of course, Sep. 28 will be great if we can do that in time!)

Sounds good. I'll get a PR in for this soon.

Comment 26

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Attached the beta logo and we'll need to replace it when it comes to the official launch (ETA Nov. 1). I'll put the official one by then. Also pasted the adaptive icon set[1] if you'd like to see different options.

Thanks!

[1] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tHebCa2UyzTbWHmXOer7OyVjEUtBR2g9

(In reply to Paul [:pmac] McLanahan ⏰ET needinfo? me from comment #25)
> The size is not important for this discussion. Given a high-quality image we
> can make the proper sizes. We just need to know which logo to use (e.g.
> Firefox Quantum, Rocket, etc.).

Comment 27

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Attachment: launchericon_beta_Privacy Notice.png

Comment 28

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

@Paul:

Product & Legal need bit more time for the decision so let's follow this later (likely after open beta). Thanks!

@Chloe, would you help share us the conclusion once any? Thanks!

(In reply to Wesly Huang (EPM) from comment #24)
> (In reply to Paul [:pmac] McLanahan ⏰ET needinfo? me from comment #22)
> > - Whether to link to this policy from the sidebar of /privacy/
> 
> TBD, we may want to add Rocket too and Product will discuss with Legal to
> make the final decision (ETA Thursday Taipei time)

Comment 29

[Chloe Chen]

(In reply to Wesly Huang (EPM) from comment #28)

> @Chloe, would you help share us the conclusion once any? Thanks!

Per discussion with Legal today, we should wait a bit for ScreenshotGo (probably after the open beta). I will follow up and keep you updated.

Comment 30

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Hi Paul:

A quick update. We had a GO decision for Beta thus uploaded the App to PalyStore and expected it to be available in Indonesia soon. Would you help us make the doc live when you have time today?

Thanks!

(In reply to Paul [:pmac] McLanahan ⏰ET needinfo? me from comment #25)
> (In reply to Wesly Huang (EPM) from comment #24)
> > It's Sep. 28 for the main doc. (/privacy/screenshot-go/) And the update of
> > /privacy/ page (if deemed needed) can be done later since we have TBD items
> > (of course, Sep. 28 will be great if we can do that in time!)
> 
> Sounds good. I'll get a PR in for this soon.

Comment 31

[Paul [:pmac] McLanahan]

Yup. I'll get back on that now. I was waiting for some PR review over in the legal-docs repo, but I'll just go ahead and merge it.

Comment 32

[[github robot]]

Commit pushed to master at https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/b09e0a9a7d2cf1317f148e26afeef35093c91214
Add legal-docs for Firefox ScreenshotGo

Re: bug 1487436
Fix #6229

Comment 33

[Paul [:pmac] McLanahan]

The code has landed as you can see above. It will be deployed to our DEV server (https://www-dev.allizom.org), I'll check it there and then start the production deployment.

Comment 34

[Paul [:pmac] McLanahan]

The deployment to production is happening now. We've had some deployment issues today, but hopefully it will be fully live within the hour.

Comment 35

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

Thanks Paul, I can see the doc in live now but the logo is the desktop one, not the desired in comment#27. Would you help check?

(In reply to Paul [:pmac] McLanahan ⏰ET needinfo? me from comment #34)
> The deployment to production is happening now. We've had some deployment
> issues today, but hopefully it will be fully live within the hour.

Comment 36

[Paul [:pmac] McLanahan]

I missed that. My apologies. We'll get that logo updated.

Comment 37

[Wesley Huang [:wesley_huang] (EPM) (NI me)]

Reminder: that logo is still outdated per my testing just now

Comment 38

[Paul [:pmac] McLanahan]

Thanks for the ping. This is being tracked on the team's project board in this issue:

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/issues/6274

Should be worked on soon. My apologies for the delay.

Comment 39

[Wesly Huang (EPM)]

saw the logo on https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox-screenshotgo/ is updated. Thanks!