150034 - microsoft.com - left edge of text is outside left edge of window content area

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: English US, defect)

Description

[Eric Krock]

Using Moz RC3 on WinXP Pro. 

To repro: view above page in Moz RC3, then in IE6. Looks fine in IE6 and Nav4;
but in Moz I can't read the leftmost character on every line because the left
margin is being positioned outside the left edge of the window's content area.

Interesting that MS appears to be using markup that looks fine in IE and Nav4
but just happens to be unreadable in Mozilla.

Suspect that something in this stylesheet might be at fault:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/windows/windowsmedia/css/WinNN.css">

... which resolves to this URL:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/css/WinNN.css

Comment 1

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

->evang500

Comment 2

[Kai Lahmann (is there, where MNG is)]

*** Bug 155012 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 3

[Daniel Wang]

*** Bug 164571 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 4

[Ian Batterbee]

The stylesheet mozilla gets given contains this right at the top:

Ahh.. yes.. top of the style sheet that mozilla gets given

BODY
{
    MARGIN: -10px 0px 0px -10px
}

Is it valid to do that ? How is the browser supposed to deal with that
situation.. surely it can't be correct to make part of the page invisible as a
result ?

Comment 5

[Ian Batterbee]

w3.org (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/box.html#margin-properties) says this:

"Negative values for margin properties are allowed, but there may be
implementation-specific limits. "

unfortunately, it doesn't go into what those limits could be.

Can anyone think of a reason why we should honour negative margins that cause
part of the page to be hidden ? I can't think of any reason that a user would
want part of the page they're viewing to be unreadable, even if the browser is
honouring the negative values in the style sheet.

And what does "Tech Evangelism" mean exactly ?

Comment 6

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

*** Bug 167326 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 7

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

*** Bug 178689 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 8

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

*** Bug 151632 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 9

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

tech evang june 2003 reorg

Comment 10

[Olivier Cahagne]

new URL:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/technologies.aspx
wfm using 2003082005 on Linux.
Stylesheet sent:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/css/newcss/WinNN7.css

[...]
BODY
{
    MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0px
}
[...]