"Homepage and new windows" breaks the ability to open a new window *without* home pages

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enhancement
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6 months ago
2 months ago

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(Reporter: admin, Unassigned, NeedInfo)

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User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:65.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/65.0

Expected results:

All previous versions of Firefox have had TWO options for the home page setting:

1) Start with blank page
2) Start with home page(s)

"Homepage and new windows" in FF 65 now breaks that previous functionality by removing the option to have both home pages and a blank new window.

Is there a reason this functionality was removed? If NOT, please restore!

Summary: "Homepage and new windows" breaks the ability to open a new *without* home pages → "Homepage and new windows" breaks the ability to open a new window *without* home pages

Hi reporter,

Thank you for taking the time to add this report. However, I was not able to reproduce the issue that you have mentioned.
In all the latest Firefox versions I still have 3 options for the "Homepage and new windows" settings: Home Page (Default) / Custom URL... / Blank page. ( I'll attach a screenshot of this ).

Could you please retest this using a new clean Firefox profile, maybe even safe mode, to eliminate custom settings as a possible cause (https://goo.gl/PNe90E) and report back the results? If the issue does still persist, could you please attach a screenshot/or short video of the issue?

Component: Untriaged → Activity Streams: Newtab
Flags: needinfo?(admin)

Yes that is correct. There is no way to open a new window [ith no content], and still have the Home button to navigate to your specified home pages.

The only option available now (the upgrade I did last week was 65, .. I believe the previous version was 60) is to:

  1. Select a new window starts blank, .. the Home function has no effect (i.e. it just opens another blank window)

  2. Have ALL new windows start with the defined home content (i.e. there i no way to open a window without the defined homecontent).

In FF v60, the Home and New specifications were separate, so one could open 10 blank windows that were actually blank, and still have the option to load the Home content if desired.

In essence, the Home button on the browser is now useless, as if Home content is defined, it will always appear in a new window.

Following up, .. Paul_B confirmed the problem with FF 65: there is no longer a way to open a blank window if the "Homepage and new windows" is set to home page content.

As this prevents USING Homepage content for many users, with no way to open a BLANK window, is there some reason why this regression test failure cannot be reversed?

Specifically, restoring the Homepage options that have been in place for 20 years (e.g. 60esr):

When Firefox starts:

  • Home page
  • Blank page

Home Page

  • Current Pages
  • Bookmark
  • Restore to Default

By combining the New Window and Homepage settings in FF 65, one is effectively prevented from using homepage(s).

Hey Aaron, Ed,

This is the use case: you set a custom URL for your home page, then set your homepage to Blank, then expect the Home button to navigate to the custom URL

I'm unsure that was a 'feature', even if pre-65 functionality in fact allowed you to do this. My question is should this bug be 'wontfix' or a 'regression'?

Flags: needinfo?(edilee)
Flags: needinfo?(admin)
Flags: needinfo?(abenson)

Hi Tim,

Firefox has allowed for both a home page and the choice to populate a new window WITH that homepage since earliest versions.

Sometime after v60, the ability to create a blank new window while still maintaining a set of pages that will be loaded with the "Home" button was removed by combining that functionality.

In essence, this change removes any use for the "Home" button.

The behavior changed in firefox 61 with bug 1448971 removing "When Firefox starts" UI. You can still set browser.startup.page to 0 to have new windows open a blank page while still letting the home button load a custom url.

I'll let aaron decide if there should be preferences UI to allow users to open a blank page on new windows.

Depends on: 1448971
Flags: needinfo?(edilee)

Here's the old UI for reference which incorrectly implies that it only affects starting firefox behavior as it also changes new window behavior.

(In reply to Ed Lee :Mardak from comment #7)

The behavior changed in firefox 61 with bug 1448971 removing "When Firefox starts" UI. You can still set browser.startup.page to 0 to have new windows open a blank page while still letting the home button load a custom url.

I'll let aaron decide if there should be preferences UI to allow users to open a blank page on new windows.

FYI, Just tested browser.startup.page = 0 in 66.0.5, .. a new window still shows the configured home pages.

Type: defect → enhancement
Priority: -- → P3
Component: Activity Streams: Newtab → New Tab Page
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