Chimera 2002070105 does not have a widget to close a browser tab. Expected Result: Tab bar should contain an "X" widget to close the active tab, or the Toolbar should have an optional "X-Tab" icon button with a popup tab list to select the tab to close, and the 'Stop' button an octagon to differentiate it from the 'X' close widget. Actual Result: User has no tab close widget and must wade through the Window menu or cmd-y to close tab. Also see open chimera.mozdev.org boogs 1101, 1282, 1339
Custom widgets would really stink, and they would add clutter, too. I suggest trapping context clicks (control-clicks, right-clicks) on the tabs and allowing the user to close a tab from a context menu. The menu could contain the following items, and maybe a few others: - Close tab - Open in New Tab (ie. nab the current tab's location, spawn a new tab and point it at the previous tab's location) - Open Tab in New Window (or, a command for removing the tab from the tab bar and into a new window) - Add Page to Bookmarks
Since we have a File...Close Tab menu, a context menu would seem to add more complexity. Perhaps a context menu could be added to the mounting RFE Bugs That Would Not Die. The Mozdev lists had a ton of comments like "Help! How do you close the tabs?" with the reply "Please, clueless user...JUST CTL-Y." But browser tabs are specialized windows, and windows have had close widgets for twenty years (I am *not* suggesting each tab needs a close button!). Users are disoriented and slowed down if they're forced to use a menu or key combo to close a tab. I think the argument is largely aesthetic; it's probably best to leave it for saari, pink and sfraser to decide.
Actually, couldn't this be implemented by way of a toolbar button? That way the "we don't want no steenkin' close tab widget" people (like me) could just command-drag it out of the toolbar, while the others could just keep it there and place it where ever they want to.
Good suggestion; a toolbar button would do the trick. As I suggested above, a toolbar button popup menu could also select a background tab to close.
As others have said here, putting close widgets on every tab would be a waste of space, probably be ugly too, and most certainly be breaking Apple's HIG. Having said that though, I think providing users with multiple ways of doing things is a good thing. Adding choice does not add complexity, because most of the complexity is hidden. For example, we can add a toolbar icon (my favoured approach), users can still use cmd-W or the item in the File menu, AND later on we always have the option of adding contextual menu trapping on tabs, drop down menu on the toolbar icon etc, without adding to the perceived complexity because most of these closing methods are hidden from view until you use them (Just In Time disclosure of information). In any case, I think the toolbar icon is the best place to start.
Created attachment 93919 [details] Proposed toolbar icon for Close Tab Since people seem in favor of the Close Tab toolbar button idea originally proposed by Reporter, here's my suggestion for the button's icon.
I'd like to see this button as well
Just add this as a toolbar button which is off by default.
I agree with the toolbar button btw: When I click on attachment #1 [details] [diff] [review] Chimera/2002081205 does nothing
Primary advantages of putting widget in tab bar: (one instance, at right end, as in main mozilla trunk) - proximity to tabs make functionality easier to intuit - widget is only visible when there are tabs to close - consumes very little space
I am against including this, but if we do, close widgets go at the left end!
Steve don't just give in like that.. It's like 8 to 1 so far =) comment #10 /Primary advantages of putting widget in tab bar: /(one instance, at right end, as in main mozilla trunk) /- proximity to tabs make functionality easier to intuit A toolbar icon would be just as close... and larger even Plus if you think the button works better from the left... cmd-drag to the left of the toolbar... to the right... middle... etc... /- widget is only visible when there are tabs to close button would enabled/disabled /- consumes very little space ditto with a toolbar button Adding a widget just isn't a good idea. If someone want a button to close a tab it will be there, if not they can cmd-drag it away. With the widget it's always there in a static place... can't cmd-drag it around
Component: Toolbars & Menus → Tabbed Browsing
QA Contact: winnie → sairuh
also see bug 160566 for adding a new tab button.
What do people think of the new/close tab icons in the latest Pinstripe theme for Mozilla? I think they're good.
i think the close icon we want to use would be the circular, gray, (x) icon that project builder uses to close split frames and the finder uses to clear a text field in shaguar. that seems to be the "close widget" apple is pushing inside windows, though they haven't yet said anything along those lines.
Pink or Greg's icon suggestions are fine, but beware using the "X" symbol for two purposes: 'Close' vs 'Stop' Suggest 'Stop' icon be redone as stop-sign octagon and dedicate 'X' icon to 'Close' functions per my original report.
Currently dragging a tab into the browser has no effect. Perhaps this could close a tab with a dock-like poof.
*** Bug 168676 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
I agree with #15. The gray buttons are sufficiently unintrusive. I think New Tab could be implemented with a similar circular control. The icons for these buttons need to be self-explanatory, though. Mozilla had problems with users not understanding the new tab/close tab buttons. Close should be the X icon, but what should the New button's icon be? A starburst? A small document icon? And where would these reside? On the left side of the tab bar when the tab bar is visible? Or on the right? Or somewhere else?
I like the sound of a Finder-search-field-(x) close widget on the right-hand side of the tab (as they do in the Finder, iTunes etc), no new tab widget needed
Well in any case, there needs to be _something_. Currently, you can't close a tab with the mouse at all (Oct 5 2002). You must either command-W, or choose a command from the main menu. Context menu. Pros: less clutter, works for people used to mozilla. Cons: Contextual menus are hidden, so putting critical features there is bad for useability. 2. Contextual menus suck if you don't have a > 1 button mouse. Close box: Pros: Easy, intuitive. Cons: More visual clutter; box takes aways space used to name the tab. I think a close box would be preferable, but I'll take a contextual menu over nothing.
What about replacing the current globe icon with a close icon. Having the close icon and the globe would make things too cluttered I think. There doesn't really seem to be a good reason for the globe icon either.
> What about replacing the current globe icon with a close icon. What globe icon? Are you referring to the icons in the tabs? For your information, those icons change to display the site's icon if the website provides one. Just check out Apple.com, for example. The globe changes to an Apple. So the icons should definitely not be replaced with a close widget. Just add a single widget to the left (or right) edge of the tab bar as suggested in comment #15.
Yes, that is the icon I mean. It seems to me that the site icon isn't as important a feature as having a close widget. With the site icon/globe icon and a close widget in the tab there would hardly be any room for the title of the tab, especially when the user has lots of tabs open. I think that usability would be degraded with the added clutter of two icons in a tab. The user wouldn't be able to recognize what a tab is because the title would be cropped off.
Site icons in tabs are draggable, so have utility.
Putting a close widget in the tab itself is a bad idea. LimeWire does this, and half the time I try to select a tab to bring it to the front, I accidently click on the close widget and close the tab instead. This is bad interface design, IMO. Using toolbar icons is also a bad idea. When I'm on my ibook, I need all the screen real estate I can get. Cluttering up my toolbar with more icons is not an option, especially if we end up spawning toolbar icons for all of the numerous things you should be able to do with tabs (open a new tab, close current tab, open current tab in a new window, duplicate tab, etc.). And good luck finding icon graphics for those functions that people will consistantly understand. Personally, I strongly think using the context menu is the best solution. There are a lot of things you should be able to easily do with tabs that you currently can't. Putting all of these functions into a context menu seems like a no-brainer to me. I would certainly be more likely to look for such functions in the context menu than in the customize toolbar interface! And even though I only have a 1-button mouse, I use context menus constantly in the Finder and other web browsers like Mozilla and IE. Chimera's context menus are frustratingly lacking in functionality. I would suggest that even if you do decide to implement the toolbar icon idea, you still implement the same functionality in the context menu. Plus, I would REALLY like the ability to open the current page/tab in a new window from the context menu. Right now, I have to copy the URL from the address bar, close the current tab, open a new window, and paste in the URL. This is tedious. All of these types of functions belong in the context menu. That's what it's there for.
I've thought about this some more and I'll take back #20 and agree with the above (#26). Putting a widget, however neat, into the tab itself could be annoying at pretty much all times except the specific moment you want to close the tab. A CM would be enough.
Bug #161376 was opened as [RFE] Provide contextual menu support for tabs.
Summary: [RFE] Provide Tab Close Widget → Provide Tab Close Widget
After using Phoenix for OS X all day (yes, such a thing exists), I have to admit I'm a bit warmer to the idea of having a tab-close widget in the tab bar (but just one, not per tab). I'm still not totally sold on the idea (since it probably violates some HIG), and I still think that such functionality should be provided in the context menus, but I do think this is an idea that should at least be seriously considered (which I'm sure the mozilla staff is already doing). Anyway, just wanted to share my new-found enlightenment, as if anyone cared :)
Where did you get Phoenix for OSX? Or is this an XDarwin thing?
Re to comment #30, Phoenix for OS X is actually a sort of a pseudo-hack. But a good one. http://www.kmgerich.com/misc.html Re to comment #29, does it relly matter that tab close widgets are against the HIG when the whole document container system (tabs) is against the HIG and still works admirably?
Assignee: saari → sfraser
For want of a better solution (that is easily doable), we've added a Close Tab button to the main toolbar (on the customization palette).
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
rs vrfy --see bug 180839.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
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