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Bug 163350
Opened 22 years ago
Closed 21 years ago
Cookie confirmation dialog could use better wording.
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(Core :: Networking: Cookies, defect)
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(Reporter: kiko, Assigned: mvl)
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This is a carry-over from bug 23508. The current cookie dialog uses the following wording: /|\ The site X wants to set/modify a/an existing cookie. Do you want to allow it? [ ] Remember this decision (( Yes )) ( No ) This wording is long (even for an ascii mockup) and prompts the user with a Yes/No question. I provide a small mockup to suggest new wording: /|\ The site .foo.bar wants to set a/modify an existing cookie. / * \ [ ] Use this choice for all cookies from this site. ( Show details ) ( Allow ) (( Deny )) Rationale: - I think the question "Do you want to allow it?" isn't necessary, since Allow/Deny already matches the intention in "wants". - The change would make the dialog less wide and easier to scan, which is a good thing for any dialog. Removing the question and offering a choice (i.e. no Yes/No buttons) also makes the dialog slighly less intrusive, but that's not the main issue here. Michiel has already coded the change for 23508 so I'm assigning to him in hope he wants to take this as soon as bug 23508 is checked in. If not, reassign to nobody, as always.
Comment 1•22 years ago
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also, the word 'contents' is a bit more descriptive than 'information' when describing the value of the cookie. to be consistent, same should be changed in cookie manager dialog.
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Comment 2•22 years ago
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See also bug 142277
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Comment 3•22 years ago
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Attachment 63889 [details] in bug 23508 suggest tu use vertical oriented buttons. That seems a good idea to me. It also suggest not to use a checkbox, but use 'accept all' and 'decline all' buttons. Seems good too. (Should we use Decline or Deny? I am no native english speaker. Is there any difference?)
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
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Comment 4•22 years ago
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It can happen that the dialog is much too wide. See screenshot. That should be preventend with new wording. Some newlines won't hurt.
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Comment 5•22 years ago
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Attaching a suggestion. I changed some wording, but alsa some of the layout. If that should nog happen in this bug, let me know. We can open another bug.
Comment 6•22 years ago
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If your concern is about the dialog being too wide, you can always add line-breaks to the text so that it appears on several narrow lines instead of one wide one.
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Comment 7•22 years ago
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That is not my only concern. I think accept/reject is more clear then yes/no. That way, you only have to reaad the first line to decide which button to click. That is also why I made the first line bold. That is all you need to know. The rest is extra information. Also, it seems to mee that the current wording is not consitent when you have mote than 2 cookies from one site. "The site foo.bar wants to set a second cookie. " and "The site foo.bar wants permission to set another cookie". And the twisty just looks better.
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Comment 8•22 years ago
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The problem with the twisty is that it's not as obvious as the button, but since it was in the original spec, it's acceptable as long as clicking on the "About this label" cookie also triggers it. I would really recommend removing "Do you want to remove it?" -- accept and reject already complement the "wants to modify" statement (and wants already denotes intention). I also think "Remember decision" is being unclear at best, and false at worse. What the checkbox does is "Use this choice for all cookies from this site", though you can use "Remember this decision..." if you strongly disagree with that.
Comment 9•22 years ago
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> I think accept/reject is more clear then yes/no. That way, you only have to > reaad the first line to decide which button to click. I agree but I think that 'Allow' and 'Deny' would be better than 'Accept' and 'Reject'. The reason for this is that 'Accept' sounds like physically accepting an item (and 'Reject' like physically rejecting something). This is fine for setting cookies but not so good for modifying cookies. If it was "The site www.test.localdomain has offered to modify an existing cookie.", 'Accept' (accepting the offer) and 'Reject' (rejecting the offer) would be fine. But the site isn't offering, it's asking your (the user's) permission. In light of this, I think 'Allow' and 'Deny' would be better. > That is also why I made the first line bold. That is all you need to know. The > rest is extra information. Nice touch. :-) > The problem with the twisty is that it's not as obvious as the button, but > since it was in the original spec, it's acceptable as long as clicking > on the "About this label" cookie also triggers it. I understand that twisties ('disclosure triangles') like this are more common on Macs than on Windows and Linux. Presumably Mac users will have no problem with the twisty but Windows and Linux users may do. Therefore I think a button would be better. > I would really recommend removing "Do you want to remove it?" -- accept and > reject already complement the "wants to modify" statement (and wants already > denotes intention). I agree. Less text is good (as long as it doesn't reduce the meaning). If that happens though, the remaining text should not be bold. > I also think "Remember decision" is being unclear at best, and false at worse. > What the checkbox does is "Use this choice for all cookies from this site", > though you can use "Remember this decision..." if you strongly disagree with > that. Just to be clear, am I right in thinking that checking the box and: a) Clicking 'Accept' allows the site to set and modify cookies at will? b) Clicking 'Reject' does not allow the site to set any new cookies nor modify any existing ones? If so, then perhaps 'Allow All' and 'Deny All' buttons would be better. Or maybe the checkbox should use wording closer to IE's ("Apply my decision to all cookies from this Web site").
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Comment 10•22 years ago
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> Just to be clear, am I right in thinking that checking the box and: > > a) Clicking 'Accept' allows the site to set and modify cookies at will? > b) Clicking 'Reject' does not allow the site to set any new cookies nor modify > any existing ones? mpt's original spec called for Accept All/Reject All buttons with Accept/Reject buttons in the disclosed part. I think it *might* be the best solution, but I'm not sure if 4 buttons (5 if you have a disclosure button) is going to be confusing. - Apply my decision to all cookies from this Web site - Use this decision for all cookies from this site - Use my choice for all cookies from this site I think the last and shortest option is the best for a checkbox. "Web site" and "site" are interchangeable, as "decision" and "choice". I think "use" is better than apply. I also suggest Allow/Deny, as the mockup I opened the bug with indicates.
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Comment 11•22 years ago
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> Just to be clear, am I right in thinking that checking the box and:
Sorry. Yes. :-)
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Comment 12•22 years ago
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I agree about Allow and Deny.
> If so, then perhaps 'Allow All' and 'Deny All' buttons would be better. Or
> maybe the checkbox should use wording closer to IE's ("Apply my decision to all
> cookies from this Web site").
My problem with 'Allow All' is it is not clear to me (as user) if it means
'Allow All cookies form this site' or 'Allow All cookies from all sites'. A
checkbox can have a much longer label then a button, so no problem in that respect.
"Use my choice for all cookies from this site" sounds good to me.
In the screenshot, I used vertical buttons. That looks better to me, and is what
is in mpt's spec. I that allright? It is not used much in the rest of mozilla.
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Comment 13•22 years ago
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My updated suggestion. It has: - allow / deny buttons - a more window-ish more-info button instead of a twisty. - a short header with the problem. - a little more info, with an actual question. without a question, what do you answer? - a change in the checkbox text I don't have a patch yet, as there is still have a problem. The width of the more/less info button changes, and so the width of the dialog changes too. That is ugly. But in the meantime, comments are welcome.
Comment 14•22 years ago
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Comment on attachment 102853 [details]
updated suggestion
on windows readonly fields do not look like editable textareas. only disabled
textareas should appear the way you see the fields in your picture.
Note: This is a skin issue, so for win classic they shouldn't look like
disabled editable textareas, but if some other skin wanted to make it look the
way you showed it in your picture, that would be a decision for the skin.
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Comment 15•22 years ago
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I am uplocaing my opatch anyway. I have not found a solution for my problem. But it only shows when pressing the moreinfo button. I think most people just leave it in one state. But ideas for fixing it are welcome. Timeless: it are readonly textboxes. So linux and windows differ. If windows displays them like disabled editable textareas, it is a bug in windows classic.
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Comment 16•22 years ago
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*** Bug 142277 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
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Comment 17•22 years ago
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I've discussed this a bit with Michiel and I think he's going to work out another (final?) layout so we can get this reviewed.
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Comment 18•22 years ago
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A new suggestion. Horizontal buttons to solve previous problems. Right aligned labels.
Comment 19•22 years ago
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Yes, this is a nice, compact layout and the wording is clear, much better than my "solution" from bug 142277.
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Comment 20•22 years ago
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Adding suresh, for comments on the screenshots.
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Comment 21•22 years ago
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In comment 2, moshe proposed using "Content" instead of "Information" and I think it makes a lot of sense. mvl? My only other reservation is towards having the text with the number of cookies. Does anybody actually care how many cookies they have from that site? My mom sure doesn't, and I never have either. I'd rather have less text on a dialog than more. Anyway, this is my only comment. I think this dialog is *MUCH* nicer than the original one, so let's hope we can get some review and checkin.
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Comment 22•22 years ago
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*** Bug 163380 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
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Comment 23•22 years ago
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> In comment 2, moshe proposed using "Content" instead of "Information" and I > think it makes a lot of sense. mvl? Yes, that makes sense. I will change it. > My only other reservation is towards having the text with the number of > cookies. Does anybody actually care how many cookies they have from that site? > My mom sure doesn't, and I never have either. I'd rather have less text on a > dialog than more. Your mom doesn't use the dialog at all :) The text is there because it always was. I don't use it. I think we can remove it. Do you want the difference between setting a first and setting another cookie to go to?
Comment 24•22 years ago
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Adding Jatin to cc list. Jatin, can you review the wordings/strings posted in the screenshot? Thanks!
Comment 25•22 years ago
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I would not remove the number of existing cookies. It does not take much space, and it may be useful to some people. If you really do not like it then at least put it into the part that appears with the details. [And if you completely remove it, then why would you want the first line in bold ;-) ?]
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Comment 26•22 years ago
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Just putting things in the UI (or leaving them) because they may be usefull to somebody isn't going to work. That way, the UI will be unusable because of all things that might be usefull to someone. So we need a better reason then maybe usefull for someone. At least /why/ it might be usefull.
Comment 27•22 years ago
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As I said, it does not take much space and it doesn't clutter the UI at all. And it is really bad to remove a feature that has been there for so long. Why? Hmm, for me it is sometimes useful, because of the hundreds of sites wanting to set cookies I forget which cookies I really need and if I see that I already have cookies from a site I am reminded that I may need it from this one and after looking at the details I can decide...
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Comment 28•22 years ago
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> Just putting things in the UI (or leaving them) because they may be usefull to
> somebody isn't going to work. That way, the UI will be unusable because of all
> things that might be usefull to someone.
Michiel, you're a swell guy. This sums up the point precisely. And I would add
on: "just because you think you can come up with use case for something doesn't
mean it's a *real* use case." We're not even typical users.
Anyway, I would *recommend* all of this cookie counting were removed. The simple
plain message works fine for all cases, I'm absolutely positive of it, in fact.
However, this is a delicate point: arguments in Bugzilla get started over
nothing, and I honestly don't want this bug to be held down because people start
complaining about us cleaning up the UI to make it saner. So if people are going
to start screaming (as they did when we removed toolbar grippies) that Mozilla
is going to suck because it doesn't tell you how many cookies you have set in a
prompt dialog that 0.3% of the end-users will see, I would rather we stopped
here, checked in what people have seemed to agree upon, and count ourselves
lucky this time. The lack of UI authority just makes working on it too scary,
we're lucky this bug has but a few people CC:ed on it.
And yes, grippies were turned back on.
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Comment 29•22 years ago
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The patch that gives the previous screenshot. Only changed information -> content. With the number of cookies. We can file a seperate bug on that, to prevent long discussions here. This part is ready in my opinion.
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Updated•22 years ago
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Comment 30•22 years ago
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Comment on attachment 114122 [details] [diff] [review] Patch v2 > + <image id="info.icon" class="spaced" src="chrome://global/skin/icons/alert-exclam.gif"/> do *not* hard code skin paths into xul. dbaron doesn't particularly like the idea of '.' in an id, given how it'd interact with css i'd have to agree. i believe you ignored my comment about readonly fields v. selectable labels, but that's not a showstopper.
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Comment 31•22 years ago
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Using class="plain" now for hte textboxes, to remove the border. To be consistent, also update the cookieviewer. And changed the id="info.box". btw, we should also fix http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xpfe/global/resources/content/commonDialog.xul#26 but that is beyond the scope of this bug.
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Comment 32•22 years ago
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Comment 33•22 years ago
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I forgot the skin stuff. Done now by using <image id="infoicon" class="spaced alert-icon"/>
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Updated•22 years ago
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Attachment #114354 -
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Comment 34•22 years ago
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Comment on attachment 114354 [details] [diff] [review] Fix skin work deferring UI superreview to jag ;-)
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Comment 35•22 years ago
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Comment on attachment 114354 [details] [diff] [review] Fix skin work - dialog.getButton("accept").label = dialog.getAttribute("acceptLabel"); - dialog.getButton("cancel").label = dialog.getAttribute("cancelLabel"); + document.getElementById("ok").label = dialog.getAttribute("acceptLabel"); + document.getElementById("cancel").label = dialog.getAttribute("cancelLabel"); Why this change? I'll take another look after jatin comments on the new wording.
Comment 36•22 years ago
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Looks good to me except the sentence, "View and Remove Cookies that are stored..." should be rewritten to say, "View and remove cookies that are stored..."
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Comment 37•22 years ago
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One minor detail too: we are using Hostname on the cookie confirmation dialog, versus Domain in the cookie details dialog. Is this intentional? I thought both represented domain, but let me check... Oh! We currently use Domain: in the confirmation dialog. I don't think it should be changed to hostname because, after all, it's a domain :-)
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Comment 38•22 years ago
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>- dialog.getButton("accept").label = dialog.getAttribute("acceptLabel"); >- dialog.getButton("cancel").label = dialog.getAttribute("cancelLabel"); >+ document.getElementById("ok").label = dialog.getAttribute("acceptLabel"); >+ document.getElementById("cancel").label = >dialog.getAttribute("cancelLabel"); > >Why this change? I had to use on overlay to be able to put the button not at the bottom of the window. But now the getButton() function doesn't work anymore, maybe because the overlay doesn't use dlgtype to define the buttons. >Looks good to me except the sentence, "View and Remove Cookies that are >stored..." should be rewritten to say, "View and remove cookies that are >stored..." I didn't touch that, but can fix it while I am there. >One minor detail too: we are using Hostname on the cookie confirmation dialog, >versus Domain in the cookie details dialog. Is this intentional? I thought both >represented domain, but let me check... No, we use both in both places :) Domain when the cookie is set for the whole domain, so .mozilla.org as domain atribute. That cookie will be sent to every host in the mozilla.org domain. Host when a cookie has no domain attribute, which means it wil only be sent to the host that set it. And in the screenshot, there is one host cookie, and one domain cookie.
Comment 39•22 years ago
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> I had to use on overlay to be able to put the button not at the bottom of
> the window. But now the getButton() function doesn't work anymore, maybe
> because the overlay doesn't use dlgtype to define the buttons.
Hmmm... Either dialogOverlay.xul (and its platform versions) should be made to
work together with the dialog binding (add dlgtype, make oncommand handlers work
with dialog binding's command dispatch mechanism), or we need to add support to
the dialog binding to move the buttons around.
For now, sr=jag on your patch.
Updated•22 years ago
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Comment 40•22 years ago
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Checking in extensions/cookie/resources/content/cookieAcceptDialog.js; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/cookie/resources/content/cookieAcceptDialog.js,v <-- cookieAcceptDialog.js new revision: 1.5; previous revision: 1.4 done Checking in extensions/cookie/resources/content/cookieAcceptDialog.xul; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/cookie/resources/content/cookieAcceptDialog.xul,v <-- cookieAcceptDialog.xul new revision: 1.4; previous revision: 1.3 done Checking in extensions/cookie/resources/locale/en-US/cookieAcceptDialog.dtd; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/cookie/resources/locale/en-US/cookieAcceptDialog.dtd,v <-- cookieAcceptDialog.dtd new revision: 1.2; previous revision: 1.1 done Checking in extensions/cookie/resources/locale/en-US/cookieAcceptDialog.properties; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/cookie/resources/locale/en-US/cookieAcceptDialog.properties,v <-- cookieAcceptDialog.properties new revision: 1.3; previous revision: 1.2 done Checking in extensions/wallet/cookieviewer/CookieViewer.dtd; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/wallet/cookieviewer/CookieViewer.dtd,v <-- CookieViewer.dtd new revision: 1.13; previous revision: 1.12 done Checking in extensions/wallet/cookieviewer/CookieViewer.xul; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/wallet/cookieviewer/CookieViewer.xul,v <-- CookieViewer.xul new revision: 1.63; previous revision: 1.62 done I checked the patch in for mvl, fixed.
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: 22 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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Comment 41•22 years ago
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>>Looks good to me except the sentence, "View and Remove Cookies that are >>stored..." should be rewritten to say, "View and remove cookies that are >>stored..." > > I didn't touch that, but can fix it while I am there. Hmm, did you take that into account Robert?
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Comment 42•22 years ago
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Ok, I suck. I forgot to update that. Attaching patch that changes it.
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Comment 43•22 years ago
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There is an JS error on the console too. This patch fixes that. (And the centence I forgot)
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Comment 44•22 years ago
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Reopening for the js error and missed sentence
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---
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Updated•22 years ago
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Comment 45•22 years ago
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Comment on attachment 115255 [details] [diff] [review] Also fix js error r-suresh
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Comment 46•21 years ago
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Nice use of readonly="true" class="plain"
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Comment 47•21 years ago
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Checking in cookie/resources/content/cookieAcceptDialog.js; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/cookie/resources/content/cookieAcceptDialog.js,v <-- cookieAcceptDialog.js new revision: 1.6; previous revision: 1.5 done Checking in wallet/cookieviewer/CookieViewer.dtd; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/wallet/cookieviewer/CookieViewer.dtd,v <-- CookieViewer.dtd new revision: 1.14; previous revision: 1.13 done
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Closed: 22 years ago → 21 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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