Scrollbars don't scale with medium and high resolutions (GTK?)
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(Core :: Widget: Gtk, enhancement, P3)
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(Reporter: dchmelik, Unassigned)
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(Blocks 1 open bug)
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Scrollbars (pictured bottom-right) don't scale with medium (4K) and high resolutions (8K to much higher, projector & development/experimental, which I'll use again someday.)
Unsure this is a certain user interface (UI, window or theme) issue or how to categorize. I experience this on KDE on FreeBSD Unix 12.1 & 13-CURRENT, Slackware/FreeSlack GNU/Linux 14.2 & 14+current, earlier various Debian[-based] GNU/Linux... many versions of Thunderbird since 2018. Soon I may test on Open Solaris/IllumOS Unix-based.
I thought Mozilla (plain/small scrollbars are a Firefox issue lately) allows/uses GTK, and I've seen these scrollbars in GTK, but gtkchtheme lets me pick themes with normal, detailed, larger-selectable scrollbars... doesn't seem to take effect anymore...
They almost look okay in screenshot, but are much thinner than more standard ones, often quite difficult to select easily (normal users I know sometimes forget they're there, as did I even with lifelong interest in geometry/graphics/art & other mathematics/programming, I have extraordinary perception of visual detail, so should be super-easy for me to see/select, but often isn't, like if not super-alert)... it became a major problem when reading/writing at night, and not colour-changeable so in a popup configuration window, when, on 4K, looked like window border, and I thought advanced configuration (had to scroll to) was missing (was still there, just as often, didn't register there were scrollbars at the time.)
Compare them to older styles like MLVWM, GTK Redmond, GTK or KDE3 & 4 SGI Unix themes. Those are thicker with up & down arrows & a small position rectangle, but the pictured theme lacks all that, making it look not meant to scroll, merely a line... apparently some prefer such extreme minimalism, but should be sufficient choices...
Honestly, because of their lack of visible controls (like clocks with no marks/numbers ☹) and thinness requiring at least twice as much attention to select, I've been avoiding such scrollbars ever since I had a 1280x1024 or even 1024x768 monitor...
Nevertheless, Thunderbird still is (always has been) the best Free/Libre/Opensource Software (F/LS, OSS, FOSS, FLOSS) graphical email & NNTP client (ever since I switched from Eudora to Mozilla/Netscape & (re-)(al)pine and in 1990s)... though I also hear Mozilla/SeaMonkey mail has a lot of old extensions I miss using...
I was unable to preview this UI feedback report beforehand because apparently all Mozilla default bug-reporter forms (Firefox, Thunderbird, etc.) say I (not their backend...) am ‘offline’ so I had to use the classic form...Scrollbars (pictured bottom-right) don't scale with medium (4K) and high resolutions (8K to much higher, projector & development/experimental, which I'll use again someday.)
Unsure this is a certain user interface (UI, window or theme) issue or how to categorize. I experience this on KDE on FreeBSD Unix 12.1 & 13-CURRENT, Slackware/FreeSlack GNU/Linux 14.2 & 14+current, earlier various Debian[-based] GNU/Linux... many versions of Thunderbird since 2018. Soon I may test on Open Solaris/IllumOS Unix-based.
I thought Mozilla (plain/small scrollbars are a Firefox issue lately) allows/uses GTK, and I've seen these scrollbars in GTK, but gtkchtheme lets me pick themes with normal, detailed, larger-selectable scrollbars... doesn't seem to take effect anymore...
They almost look okay in screenshot, but are much thinner than more standard ones, often quite difficult to select easily (normal users I know sometimes forget they're there, as did I even with lifelong interest in geometry/graphics/art & other mathematics/programming, I have extraordinary perception of visual detail, so should be super-easy for me to see/select, but often isn't, like if not super-alert)... it became a major problem when reading/writing at night, and not colour-changeable so in a popup configuration window, when, on 4K, looked like window border, and I thought advanced configuration (had to scroll to) was missing (was still there, just as often, didn't register there were scrollbars at the time.)
Compare them to older styles like MLVWM, GTK Redmond, GTK or KDE3 & 4 SGI Unix themes. Those are thicker with up & down arrows & a small position rectangle, but the pictured theme lacks all that, making it look not meant to scroll, merely a line... apparently some prefer such extreme minimalism, but should be sufficient choices...
Honestly, because of their lack of visible controls (like clocks with no marks/numbers ☹) and thinness requiring at least twice as much attention to select, I've been avoiding such scrollbars ever since I had a 1280x1024 or even 1024x768 monitor...
Nevertheless, Thunderbird still is (always has been) the best Free/Libre/Opensource Software (F/LS, OSS, FOSS, FLOSS) graphical email & NNTP client (ever since I switched from Eudora to Mozilla/Netscape & (re-)(al)pine and in 1990s)... though I also hear Mozilla/SeaMonkey mail has a lot of old extensions I miss using...
I was unable to preview this UI feedback report beforehand because apparently all Mozilla default bug-reporter forms (Firefox, Thunderbird, etc.) say I (not their backend...) am ‘offline’ so I had to use the classic form...
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Comment 1•4 years ago
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This report was requested by Thomas D (thomas8) after my earlier (invalid) one in a situation I thought advanced POP3 configuration was removed like some such Movemail configuration was unnecessarily removed... the advanced configuration was just further right in the popup (which would perhaps be nicer to force to open in tabs, but I really dislike when mails open in a tab...)
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Comment 2•4 years ago
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Please try a recent version. 68 is almost EOL.
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Comment 3•4 years ago
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Can you use Firefox to compare a difference here? Does have Firefox different or the same scrollbars?
Thanks.
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Comment 4•4 years ago
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Firefox 79 has it so is just as bad, just I don't really care about Firefox anymore and avoid it whenever possible...
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