173773 - CSS a:link definition not recognized when page is first opened.

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

Description

[Emanuel Ravelli]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021010 Chimera/0.5+
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021010 Chimera/0.5+

Navigator doesn't respond to the CSS a:link defintion located on an external CSS
file. Does respond when the navbar is clicked on or the page is loaded in cache.
Code on CSS page is as fllows:

a:link {
	color: maroon;
	background: transparent;
	background-color: transparent;
}
a:visited {
	color: #550055;
	background: transparent;
	background-color: transparent;
}
a:hover {
	color: #880088;
	background: transparent;
	background-color: transparent;
}

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open <http://www.pullingrank.com/>.
2. Roll the curser over the navbar at left. Text should change to maroon.
3. Click anywhere on navbar; CSS a:link definition will work.

Actual Results:  
CSS a:link definition will work.

Expected Results:  
CSS a:link definition should work immediately on loading the page for the first
time.

Comment 1

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky, bz on IRC]]

> Click anywhere on navbar; CSS a:link definition will work.

Is this a Chimera-only problem?  I don't see that in Mozilla...

Note that there is nothing in that navbar to be affected by "color" -- those are
all images, not text.

Comment 2

[Emanuel Ravelli]

>Is this a Chimera-only problem?  I don't see that in Mozilla...

You are correct. This is a Chimera problem only. All other browsers (Mac and
Windows) function correctly.

>Note that there is nothing in that navbar to be affected by "color" -- those are
>all images, not text.

My error. You are correct again: these ARE images (I hate growing old). This has
occurred before with other sites. Chimera will not load images as instructed
with JavaScript when a page is first opened. Again, the JavaScript works
correctly with all other browsers on two platforms.

Sorry for the original reporting error.

Comment 3

[kaldari]

This sounds similar to my bug 172649.

Comment 4

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Sorry, given that we discovered that this is an inability render JavaScript
rollover correctly, I don't see the connection to bug 172649. But I'm no
techical wizard. 

The point that bothers me is that even if the JavaScript is lousy, All browsers
on all platforms can handle the rollovers correctly, but Chimera cannot.

Comment 5

[Greg K.]

WorksForMe using Chimera/2002100304 on 10.1.5. Text at left becomes maroon on
mouseover.

Comment 6

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Works for me Chimera/2002101004 using 10.2 ONLY after clicking somewhere in the
navbar; this seems to load the necessary files. Once the files are loaded, the
rollovers work.

Comment 7

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Now THIS is fascinating: when I first pull up a page, rollovers don't function.
If I click ANYWHERE on the open browser window (including the title bar), the
rollovers then work. 

This problem was happening in all versions of Chimera, but this is the first
time I've ever notice that it doesn't matter where one clicks on the page.

Mystery inside a mystery.

Comment 8

[Emanuel Ravelli]

More and more interesting. This lack of recognition of JavaScript rollovers is
happening in all versions of Chimera (and ONLY Chimera) and all Web pages with
such scripting.

Again, once one clicks anywhere on the page, the problem self-remedies.

Comment 9

[Greg K.]

Still WorksForMe using Chimera/2002100304 on 10.1.5, without clicking anywhere
first.

Comment 10

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Mr. Kolanek,

Here's what I've done to isolate the problem.

1. Completely deleted all Chimera-related files.

2. Reformatted my entire hard drive and reinstalled 10.2.1.

3. Downloaded and reinstalled Chimera.

Results: exactly the same.

Conclusion: Since the pages load correctly with IE, OmniWeb, Mozilla, Opera,
yadda, yadda, yadda; that it's reproducible; and whether it is a software
conflict or not, using Ockham's Razor I can only conclude that this is a Chimera
bug. 

The question is what can we do about it. I'm open to suggestions. If requested,
I'll do another OS X clean install--because I'm a masochist. I see Chimera as
the future and want to ensure its success. Thank you for your time and help.

Comment 11

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Called Apple and got the usual "reinstall the OS." They think this may be caused
by a software conflict. I assume that this can only be so if another program is
running and have deleted and reinstalled  programs that run behind the scenes
without success. 

Could there be a conflict with an non-running application? Should other browsers
be deleted, e.g., Mozilla, OmniWeb, yadda, yadda, yadda?

Comment 12

[Greg K.]

Emanuel, OS reinstallation and disk reformatting are far, far too extreme.
They're useful only for you to try to get the software working the way you want
than to help Chimera's developers figure out why it's happening, which is what
bugs like this are for.

Comment 13

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Greg, you've made the happiest man on earth! The thought of reinstalling the
OS--yet again--makes me want to move to Windows.

FYI, I simultaneously eliminated all the user-enabled startup items this
morning. No success. They were:

Transport Monitor
MagicMenu.menu
Microsoft Database Daemon
LCCDaemon
Grammarian X

So, we at least know that none of these programs are causing this issue.

Comment 14

[Emanuel Ravelli]

I can use Apple System Profiler to create a profile of my computer, if that will
be of any help. Please let me know.

Comment 15

[Greg K.]

Emanuel, try creating a new OS X user profile and test Chimera using that. (It
will facilitate testing using a different Chimera profile file set.)

Comment 16

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Greg,

Created a new profile. Lanuched Chimera. JavaScript rollovers worked at startup
without the need to click on the page. I'll be...

I've completely deleted all the Chimera-related files in the past and
reinstalled Chimera. I still had this JavaScript rollover error. But this is
interesting. Now what?

Comment 17

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Deleted ALL Chimera/Navigator files and folders within current (old) User.
Launched Chimera. Created a new profile. JavaScript rollovers did NOT function
at startup without clicking somewhere on the page or reloading. 

The difference here is having not created a new User in OS X, only a new Chimera
profile in the old User.

Comment 18

[Simon Fraser]

I can't repro this; they work fine for me.

Comment 19

[Chris Casciano]

WFM 2003012707

Comment 20

[Chris Casciano]

I'm inclined to resolve as WFM based on multiple WFM reports, no found dupes,
and age of reporters build.

Emanuel, have you seen this in more recent builds (0.60 or a nighlty)?

Comment 21

[Emanuel Ravelli]

Chris,

I haven't seen this problem in subsequent builds. Thank you for following up. 


E. Ravelli

Comment 22

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky, bz on IRC]]

Emanuel, thanks for the reply.