188727 - The vertical scrollbar is one-pixel too rightward (bug #52888 should be reversed)

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(SeaMonkey :: Themes, defect)

Description

[Wenqing Jiang]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030110
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030110

In the classice theme the virtical scrollbar cuts
into the right border, and looks higher than the
window frame (in Z-order).  That's the result of
a fix for bug #52888.  The argument for the fix
in that bug should be unattainable, its cost is
high and the gain is at best arguable.

Both the vertical and horizontal bar should be
positioned in the same plane as the window frame.
(why do people like flat panel displays better?)


Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
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Comment 1

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

The argument in that bug is very simple. Having the scrollbar at the right edge
of the window makes the scrollbar easier to use.  Many other apps do the same
thing...

Which part of that is wrong?

Comment 2

[Wenqing Jiang]

The gain:
the scroll bar "easier to use" when the window is maximized.
You can drag your mouse to the right most position and
can still control the bar.  (correct me if I understand
wrongly).  Most windows app don't have that, and the majority
of the users seems OK with that.  (IE is the case.)

The cost:
the UI looks strange: the bar is higer then the window frame.

Sorry if you feel hurt that the fix is "wrong".  If the bar
can riside in the same plane as the frame, and retain the
'fix' when the window maximized, that would be perfect.
Otherwise in my personal opinion I'd prefer the case in IE.

Comment 3

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

This seems to be a windows-only bug, since I have no "window frame" over here on
linux.  Please make sure not to break this on other platforms if you decide to
mess with it... ;)

Comment 4

[Sander]

"Most windows app don't have that, and the majority of the users seems OK with
that.  (IE is the case.)"

The majority of users seems OK with it because they don't have a clue that it
could be different. However, this improvement is very noticeable once you've
used Mozilla for a while.

Recommend WONTFIX.

Comment 5

[Wenqing Jiang]

The benefit is only when the window is maximized.  If the vertical
scrollbar can be put in the same plane as the window frame, while
keeps in its 'fixed' place when maximized (now no window frame border
exists), isn't that better?