194291 - Check in Kerz's plain Mozilla splash screen

Status: VERIFIED FIXED

(SeaMonkey :: General, defect)

Description

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Kerz has done a plain Mozilla splash screen (Mozilla, in Revolution font, with a
URL and a copyright statement), which has no image rights issues. We need to
check it in, replacing the green lizard. Among other things, the plainness will
encourage Mozilla distributors to provide a splash of their own.

It is possible that this bug will receive a certain amount of attention. Before
you comment here, listen carefully:

This is not bug 32218. There will be no discussion of which of the many
available splash screens is "best". Please do not attach other screens to this
bug, or comment with URL locations. This screen is what we are having. It
remains possible to install your own splash screen if you are the sort of person
who has too much time and needs to get out more. However, note that this bug
does not preclude [e-mail] deciding to change the splash screen in the
future. 

Call it benevolent dictatorship :-)

Gerv

Comment 1

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

I'll attach the splashes as soon as I've worked out why the new one is 5x bigger
than the old as a BMP, even though it's simpler.

CCing mkaply for info, as he controls the OS/2 splash, and may want to change it
in response.

Gerv

Comment 2

[David Tenser [:djst]]

Gerv, that's probably because of the color depth.

Anyway, why not just disable the splash screen by default? Who wants a splash
screen anyway?

Comment 3

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

I don't think we yet start up quick enough to not have a splash. Mozilla
distributors are free to disable it if they so choose. But, as long as there's
one in the tree, it's going to be this one.

Gerv

Comment 4

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Attachment: BMP version

Comment 5

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Attachment: XPM version

Comment 6

[David Tenser [:djst]]

Attachment: BMP version with anti-aliasing

Since the Mozilla logo is anti-aliased, the text at the bottom should too.
Here's a slightly modified version (wich LZW compression to make it only 8K
small!)

Comment 7

[David Tenser [:djst]]

Attachment: BMP version with anti-aliasing

Since the Mozilla logo is anti-aliased, the text at the bottom should too.
Here's a slightly modified version (with LZW compression to make it only 8K
small!)

Comment 8

[David Tenser [:djst]]

Sorry, did not intend to submit that one twice.

Comment 9

[Jason Kersey]

Attachment: Fixed the file size.

I fixed the file size on my original.  I don't want antialiased text at the
bottom, it's much too small for it.

Comment 10

[Jason Kersey]

Also, I'm not sure if the build will support the image being compressed.  If
not, I have one that's not compressed, and only 100k.  (The current one being
50kb roughly is because it's been terribly dithered).

jason

Comment 11

[Mike Kaply [:mkaply]]

Can we leave the black area at the bottom in anticipation of putting startup
information there?

My understanding is that the hooks are there to do it and Mac already does.

Comment 12

[Nicholas Allen]

Can there be a pixel of space between the characters in the URL?  The tt isn't
too hard to make out but what I'm guessing is supposed to be /www. in the last
attachment is just a blob.

Comment 13

[David Tenser [:djst]]

I find the text more readable when anti-aliased despite the small size, but
maybe that's just me.

Why is the "c" in "copyright" small? That looks a bit unproffesional I think.

Comment 14

[Jason Kersey]

Asa and I decided to made it small because it looked bad being the only
uppercase letter on the whole image.

Comment 15

[David Tenser [:djst]]

Attachment: BMP anti-aliased second attempt

This one has lighter anti-aliasing, a small "c" and is not LZW compressed.

Can you really say the aliased version looks better?

Comment 16

[David Tenser [:djst]]

Attachment: BMP anti-aliased second attempt

Didn't get the dimensions right the first time, here's the real second attempt.

Comment 17

[Jason Kersey]

I can live with that, it'd be nice to make it a bit more clear (asa needs
glasses, so fuzzy stuff bothers him :-D), but for now that's fine.

Comment 18

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

> My understanding is that the hooks are there to do it and Mac already does.

Asa said MacOS X doesn't do this, and in several years, no-one has ever bothered
implementing it for other platforms than Mac OS 9 (now defunct), so it's not
worth it.

> Can there be a pixel of space between the characters in the URL? 

I spaced it out a little based on Kerz' original, but a spaced-out WWW looks a
bit odd.

The anti-aliased second attempt is OK, but the "r" in .org looks too short.

If anyone does a compressed version, make sure they use a legally licensed LZW
compressor.

Gerv

Comment 19

[Asa Dotzler [:asa]]

OK, we're branched for 1.3 so this will need to be landed on the trunk and on
the branch. Let's get this in sooner rather than later. Thanks.

Comment 20

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

I'll take that as an approval, then :-) I could swear I set "blocking1.3?" but
it's not set now. Hmm. Lack of approval was why I wasn't checking in; I wish
we'd managed to sort this out before branching.

/me goes away and pulls another tree.

Gerv

Comment 21

[Christian :Biesinger (don't email me, ping me on IRC)]

The splash screen can be RLE Compressed, and as a matter of fact the current
splash.bmp _is_ RLE comrpessed.

Comment 22

[Mike Kaply [:mkaply]]

Can someone clarify the legal issues with the previous splash (green lizard) am
i not allowed to use this for a commercial product?

Comment 23

[Rowan "Alastor" Mulder]

Attachment: Enhanced the splash with better AA and copyright notice text

This attachment contains a PNG formatted image (size issue), which IMO has
better anti-aliased text and makes it less fluffy for Asa. I've also changed
the copyright text a bit to the common way of displaying it.

Comment 24

[Matt Pusey]

Attachment: attempt at using pixel font

Here is a version of the splash screen using a pixel font. This removes the
need for anti-aliasing. Use it or ignore it, I'm fine either way. :-) 

It's ~9KB big and uses RLE compression.

Comment 25

[Alex Bishop]

Gerv said:
> This is not bug 32218. There will be no discussion of which of the many
> available splash screens is "best". Please do not attach other screens to
> this bug, or comment with URL locations. This screen is what we are having.

Everyone else said (paraphrased):
> Well, if we can't attach new splash screens, we're damn well going to attach
> modified versions of Kerz's plain one!

Comment 26

[David Tenser [:djst]]

Comment 23: This AA is definitely better than mine, but the font is more boring.
I used Tahoma in PS6, what are you using?

I also think that it looks more balanced with the shorter copyright notice,
since it's roughly the same width as the URL to mozilla.org

A though: Wouldn't it look better with a centered text displaying only:

"Copyright (c) 1998-2003 mozilla.org"

(With or without a capital "c"...)

Comment 27

[Greg K.]

Any chance you can use an en dash (U+2013) in the copyright year range, rather
than a hyphen? Typographically nicer.

Comment 28

[Rowan "Alastor" Mulder]

Comment 26:
I used the boring Arial fonts at 8px hence the boring ;) I agree that the left
copyright notice is too long and your thought of centering the bit is good. (url
address isn't really necessary is it?) The (C) or (c) might be interesting and
clearer for people.

Comment 27:
You mean the "¦" symbol?

Comment 25:
We are calling an uprise against Gerv's dictatorship! For the free lands of
Middle Earth! (This is a joke and in no way a call for more people to object and
flood this bug).

Comment 29

[Rowan "Alastor" Mulder]

Attachment: A newer version including some suggested changes

Creating attachment or url is bad, I know, just hoping Gerv's divine judgement
might be reconsidered after viewing the image.

Included changes are: the dash (U+2013), the change to Tahoma font, centering
(without url), more legal copyright notices.

Will direct furter splashes to the according bug.

Comment 30

[Jason Kersey]

Stop right now.  If anyone attaches another splash without being asked to do so,
I'm going to pull your bugzilla permissions to do so.  This isn't a contest, we
have settled on a design, font, and look.

Comment 31

[Christopher Logan]

I am OK with the new plain Mozilla splash except the orange background.
Does it have to be orange?
It just doesn't seem to be Mozilla's color how about red.

Comment 32

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

What Kerz said.

> Does it have to be orange?

This is not bug 32218. 

Gerv

Comment 33

[Robert Kaiser]

I tried - only out of interest - how big the BMP might get if RLE is used (and
that's what we can use, I believe). I used attachment 115106 [details] - which kerz has
said is good for now in Comment #17 and which is 101 KB currently, and got it
down to 8.5 KB using RLE (made with the GIMP).

I think we should really use the RLE version - if it's faster to load, of
course. It would be bad if we'd just minimize the size but don't speed up
loading time as well with the change...

If you want the version, I still have it around - but I won't attach unless it's
really requested (by kerz or Gerv).

Comment 34

[[e-mail]]

Re commen #32: even if this is not bug 32218, asking why the color has been
deliberately chosen not to match with either of the default themes' color, or
the "symbolic" colors of Mozilla is a valid question IMO. Yes, you can dictate
the splashscreen and put anything you want, but it seems that a minimal amount
of logic and/or taste would not harm. Except you find your pleasure in making a
bad thing worse, of course.

Comment 35

[Alex Bishop]

> why the color has been deliberately chosen not to match with either of the
> default themes' color, or the "symbolic" colors of Mozilla

Look at the background of colour of the splash screen; look at the background
colour of http://www.mozilla.org/banners/. It's not a coincidence.

> Except you find your pleasure in making a bad thing worse, of course.

It could have been worse:
http://www.mozillazine.org/jason/images/splash/mozilla-mangelo.gif

The point of this bug is not to add a beautiful splash screen, it's to remove
Green Mozilla. Deal with it.

Comment 36

[Grey Hodge (jX)]

/me contemplates whether to sue over "Look & Feel", popular in the 1990's, or
the now-more-popular DMCA angle...
http://mods.mozillanews.org/splashes/ultrablanksplash.png

(No, this isn't attaching a splash, just a joke... PS: This bug's URL has been
_removed_ from a comment post, and might do well with being marked CONF until
fixed, to avoid 32218-itis.)

Comment 37

[Jason Kersey]

Attachment: Final Revision

This is it.  Approved by Asa.  Let's get an XPM of it and get it checked in.

Comment 38

[Asa Dotzler [:asa]]

Comment on attachment 115302 [details]
Final Revision

OK. reviewed and approved. someone please land this thing. thanks.

Comment 39

[Robert Kaiser]

Attachment: kerz' final revision, XPM version

uh, I'm a bad guy, I'm doing an attachment here...

well, this is exactly the image in "final revision", saved to xpm (with GIMP),
so that it can be checked in for *nix.

I just hope I won't get kicked out of my bugzilla rights now ;-)

Comment 40

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Final revision, and my XPM conversion (I do have a copy of the GIMP, you know
:-) checked in to trunk. I'll check it in to 1.3 as soon as I can get the tree
to build.

Gerv

Comment 41

[timeless]

you should wait for 1.3 to open for checkins.

Comment 42

[ratman]

i'm not sure how relevant this is, but does mozilla.org actually own the
copyright to mozilla (as the new splash claims)?  the information in "about:"
seems to indicate otherwise, especially since i'm sure there are contributors
who are not members of mozilla.org.  and does the triple license come into play
as well?

stupid technicalities, admittedly, but people have been executed over less.

Comment 43

[timeless]

um, i think ratman's right. did someone actually get legal to sign off on this?

looking at the image it sure looks like it's saying mozilla and not the image is
copyright mozilla.org, which isn't the case.

Comment 44

[[e-mail]]

"Mozilla" was trademarked with the US Patent and Trademark Office by Netscape 
Corp. on July 7, 1995. Since mozilla.org is legally part of Netscape, this 
trademark should cover them as well.

http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=login&p_lang=english&p_d=trmk

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Word Mark MOZILLA 

Translations The mark is a coined term and has no foreign meaning. 

Goods and Services IC 014. US 002 027 028 050. G & S: jewelry
IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: books, magazines
and newsletters in the field of computers, computer networks and
computer software

IC 021. US 002 013 023 029 030 033 040 050. G & S: mugs, water bottles
and sport bottles sold empty

IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: clothing, namely, hats, shirts, sweatshirts

IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: toys and sporting goods, namely,
golf balls, plush toys, and board games
 
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING 

Serial Number 74698316 

Filing Date July 7, 1995 
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU 

Published for Opposition February 4, 1997 

Owner (APPLICANT) Netscape Communications Corporation CORPORATION
DELAWARE 501 East Middlefield Road Mountain View CALIFORNIA 94043

Attorney of Record Andrew P. Bridges 

Type of Mark TRADEMARK 
Register PRINCIPAL 
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Comment 45

[timeless]

   Type of Mark  	TRADEMARK

that would be Mozilla(tm).  We're talking about something else.

the question is what does (c)mozilla.org reference. the conclusion that ratman
and I reached is that it references the entire software.

Comment 46

[[e-mail]]

Ah yes, that would be misguided. Thanks for clearing it up!

Comment 47

[Mike Nicholls]

I accept that this is the design that the powers-that-be have chosen to go for
and I certainly don't want to turn this into another 32218, but this splash
screen still needs work.  There is still no black box down the bottom as
mentioned in comment 11, which is going to cause problems with the Mac build. 
Then of course there is the issue with if mozilla.org holds the copyright to
Mozilla itself - I guess what I'm trying to say is don't check it in as it is.

Comment 48

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

> There is still no black box down the bottom as
> mentioned in comment 11, which is going to cause problems with the Mac build. 

See comment #18.

Gerv

Comment 49

[Mike Nicholls]

Sorry for the spam - guess I should have read more closely.
On the note of copyright, I notice that the about: page says this:

Copyright © 1998-2003 by Contributors to the Mozilla codebase under the Mozilla
Public License and Netscape Public License.  All Rights Reserved.

Could be a bit wordy for the splash screen though...

Comment 50

[Andreas Kunz]

Just want to bring over a question from some newsgroup: is it legally required
to list the years (1998-2003)? 
They have to be changed if this splash stays in for a longer time and make the
text longer where much text is not needed. 
(Just want to make sure that you are aware of this question since I see no
indication that somebody thought of it here)

Comment 51

[Henrik Edlund]

Legally you do not have to put any "copyright" message at all. A work is
automatically copyright its author. The copyright message is just for
information so that people know the work is not in public domain.

You also do no longer need to put any (c) there. Just "copyright" is enough.

See http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html for detailed information.

Comment 52

[Jason Bassford]

The splash screen seems to be broken in 2002022404 / XP.  It doesn't come up at
all (as if I'd used the -nosplash switch).  Further, various resource utilities
show a "broken / non-existent" image embedded in the Mozilla EXE.

Comment 53

[Frank Wein [:mcsmurf]]

Confirming Comment 52
Gerv: Something must be wrong with this new splashscreen, now there doesn't show
up any splashscreen anymore.

Comment 54

[Jason Bassford]

*** Bug 194745 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 55

[Jason Bassford]

Also no splash screen in the QT builds (as reported in bug 194745).

Comment 56

[Christian :Biesinger (don't email me, ping me on IRC)]

Jason: the qt issue is entirely separate.

Comment 57

[Frank Wein [:mcsmurf]]

I've tested around a bit, when I take the bmp from this bug and save it as
mozilla.bmp, Mozilla simply ignores it. But when I open it and save the BMP
again with a Windows Programm (the problem seems to be Windows only for example
with OpenOffice Draw with 8-Bit Colour and RLE-Compression on (before:
8,91KB;after: 8,64KB), Mozilla shows the new splashscreen. Probably that the XPM
doesn't work then is related to this. So the BMP seems to be like that, that
Mozilla under Windows doesn't understand it in this format.

Comment 58

[David G King]

The copyright message needs to stay there (and it really should say "All Rights
Reserved"). This is to cover the countries that don't recognise/follow the Berne
copyright convention.

On a different note, where does the splash screen reside? Is it in Mozilla.exe?
Is the XPM or BMP version in the .EXE?  (For Windows XP).

Comment 59

[Michael Lefevre]

er... surely "all rights reserved" would forbid third party distribution of
mozilla (not what's wanted, aside from the fact that it breaks the terms of the
GPL).

FWIW, Microsoft office apps say "this program is protected by US and
international copyright laws as described in Help About". something like that
would seem like the right idea, but if it's in the image it's not localizable.
why not just drop the copyright from the image - it wasn't there on the old one
anyway, and it's contained elsewhere in mozilla.

Comment 60

[David G King]

The "All Rights Reserved" bit is due to an earlier international copyright
convention that didn't recognise the word "copyright".

However, as you say, the copyright text is contained elsewhere in Mozilla
(Help-About), thus it doesn't need to be on the image. Although, the Help-About
text could be changed to include Codebase and Images, or something like that.
(Seperate Bug?).

Mind you, this is all mute until the splash screen actually works on all platforms.

Comment 61

[Grey Hodge (jX)]

The word is "moot" BTW. The XPM is what is in the source, a text format, that is
compiled into a binary bitmap inside the mozilla.exe file on win32. It's
compiled into the appropriate formats/locations for other platforms. As to what
the problem is, the version checked into the tree isn't the same as the
final.xpm attched here. Dunno if that's a problem...

Comment 62

[Frank Wein [:mcsmurf]]

That's right, Gerv made a mistake when making the XPM. He checked in a 
corrected version. I'll attach some version that works on Windows (so other 
could test i've this also works on Linux/Unix/etc.)

Comment 63

[Jason Kersey]

We've got this figured out.  Photoshop's RLE is borked.  I'll fix this tomorrow.
 Taking.

Comment 64

[Jason Kersey]

windows splash size will be 8k, down from 60.  yay.  this will go in tomorrow
after smoketests.

Comment 65

[Jason Kersey]

Attachment: New splash

here we go.

Comment 66

[Jason Kersey]

Attachment: And I'm spent.

Comment 67

[ratman]

another quick concern: are we licensed to use the revolution font?  and if there
is a license agreement, who holds it?

Comment 68

[Asa Dotzler [:asa]]

Gerv, will you be able to check this working version into the branch? 

Comment 69

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Attachment 115479 [details] and attachment 115480 [details] ("New splash" and "And I'm spent") have
been checked into the branch. I don't have the disk space for two trees, so I
couldn't build it, but I manually checked that the internal name of the XPM was
correct. I'll watch the tinderbox carefully.

There have been reports of the splash screen not working on the trunk, but that
this produces a speedup. If someone can produce verifiable figures for this
speedup, and it's significant, we may consider removing the splash. Otherwise,
I'll be checking those two attachments into the trunk in the next couple of days.

Gerv

Comment 70

[Robert Accettura [:raccettura]]

Would it be possible to write the current version number to the splash screen
(and obviously keep it updated for each version)?

Seems to just be a general convention.  More finished I guess you could say.

Since it's real nice and plain, it would fit nicely in the lower right corner,
or mnder "Mozilla"

Comment 71

[timeless]

That has nothing to do with this bug.

Comment 72

[Asa Dotzler [:asa]]

This seems to be fixed on the branch. removing blocks flag.

Comment 73

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Checked into trunk. Resolving FIXED.

Checking in splash.bmp;
/cvsroot/mozilla/xpfe/bootstrap/splash.bmp,v  <--  splash.bmp
new revision: 1.5; previous revision: 1.4
done
Checking in splash.xpm;
/cvsroot/mozilla/xpfe/bootstrap/splash.xpm,v  <--  splash.xpm
new revision: 1.6; previous revision: 1.5
done

Gerv

Comment 74

[Simon Fraser [no longer active]]

Reopening. You didn't fix Mac.

Comment 75

[Simon Fraser [no longer active]]

Mac CFM, that is (which still builds, and has the image in a PICT in the
splash.rsrc file). We're still debating about whether to show a splash on Mac,
and what format the file would be in.

Comment 76

[Conrad Carlen (not reading bugmail)]

The Mac (Mach-O, anyway) doesn't have a splash screen. That's bug 112559. That
wasn't checked in because of its affect on Ts. So, somebody needs to decide if
we *want* to fix this on Mac.

Comment 77

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

sfraser: do you have the tools to fix this on Mac CFM? I'm not sure I'd know
where to start... if you can tell me how to do it, I will.

Gerv

Comment 78

[Conrad Carlen (not reading bugmail)]

As far as the CFM build, don't worry about it. Also, the .bmp image checked in
here works with the new Mach-O splash screen code that may or may not get
checked in. The text in the picture even lines up nicely with its dynamic text
box. What luck :-) So, I'd say nothing further needs to happen for Mac. If we
have a splash screen, we can use this image.

Comment 79

[Asa Dotzler [:asa]]

While Mac CFM may still build, it isn't a supported platform anymore (no nightly
or milestone builds, no tinderbox, etc.) This bug is fixed. Resolving as such.

Comment 80

[Jason Kersey]

*** Bug 32218 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 81

[Rowan Lewis]

Attachment: Blue Mozilla splash - windows bmp format

Kerzy, your orange splash screen is a shocker. I made this a little while ago
for my own pc, then I though about subbmitting it here.

Its blue, but could be changed to red if that is what is wanted.

PS> Sorry for posting another attatchment...

Comment 82

[Michael Lefevre]

Which part of "Please do not attach other screens to this bug" did you not
understand? This bug was fixed 8 months ago. Nothing further needed.

Doing something you know is wrong and simultaneously apologising doesn't make it
better.

Comment 83

[Rowan Lewis]

I simply did not know where else to put this. Is there anything wrong with tying
to help the community whos software I usee so often?