User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 All text below the area having a pink background is desplayed on top of the text in the pink-background area. The page displays properly with Netscape 4.79. I know you blame this problem on the particular sites, for not properly recognizing Mozilla properly; but what good is Mozilla if it's just a degraded Netscape. Make the damn thing like Netscape so it'll display right, whatever! Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Navigate with the above URL. 2. 3. Actual Results: See "Details" Expected Results: Displayed this page as Netscape does.
I see completely identical rendering in Netscape 4 and Linux trunk build 2003-03-09-05.
There is a DIV with the height set to 1007px this is to small for the content inside. The table after the DIV starts where the DIV left off and runs over the DIVs content. The good thing is that Mozilla is rendering it correctly. :)
Yeah, Netscape reads minds. . .and Bush is "correct" and the rest of the world is wrong.
Well... In this case every browser but IE/Windows renders set-height divs the same way, so in fact the whole world is with Mozilla.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 15 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
The whole world doesn't give a flying whatever about what set-height divs even ARE, and I didn't even check what IE did with this page. The point is: I and the vast majority of the world would like to use a browser that works at least as well as Netscape 4.79. Since this NETSCAPE version rendered the information correctly that any viewer would want to observe, and Mozilla 1.2.1 did not, Mozilla is degraded from Netscape's old state of the art. There's no reason to bring IE into this picture at all (or whatever set-height divs are -- out of the lab into this picture). Do whatever it takes to make it work like Netscape and forget IE. And if you're saying that the subject Web page is screwed up on Mozilla because it was DESIGNED using IE, it still doesn't excuse Mozilla designers from not designing Moz to do whatever Netscape does that makes even pages designed under a different religion than Moz people believe in display totally legibly. Screw software religions; I just want to read the page.
It's like this: 1) This page uses a feature that Netscape does not support at all 2) It misuses this feature because of a but in IE The only way to act like Netscape would be to drop CSS support completely. In which case, why bother writing Mozilla to start with? Just use Netscape. This is not a religious issue, but a simple pragmatic one.
Most people using general-purpose browsers are not reverse pragmatists, as apparently the above writer is. There exist _some_ advantages to using Moz and I thought the idea of Moz was to _improve_ upon Netscape -- in features the _general_ user uses as well as those used only by specialists or fetishists. I don't know what all CSS does for anyone, but I certainly don't believe that the _only_ way to get Moz to "act like Netscape" -- that is, display pages that are designed with this sort of problem in IE -- is to "drop CSS." I am not a software type at all, but there's no way I'll believe that at least an easily included _manual_ option couldn't be incorporated in Moz that would allow legible display of such "imporperly designed" pages. But I further believe that it isn't much beyond trivial to include an _automatic_ detection and correction routine in Moz's software that would make the proper display (that intended) of such Web pages transparent to this fort of error in them. Certainly the people working on Moz have used their talents on Moz and other things to achieve far more difficult problems. They're just hung up on throwing purism at an impure world outside their control, much as religious zealots do.
> I don't know what all CSS does for anyone Simple. CSS is the one existing documented standard for how to render webpages. Mozilla is a CSS browser. That's all. We should certainly include a "Ignore all author styles for this page" option; there is a bug on that.
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