202696 - roxy.com - Page not rendered correctly; uses document.layers

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: English US, defect, P3)

Description

[Mathew McBride]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030406
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030406

Both roxy & quiksilver.com use document.layers and seem to have problems
formatting the page correctly

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Go to either roxy or quiksilver.com (both use the same CMS and formatting scheme)
2. Go to any page other than the home page (product is a good example)
Actual Results:  
Page formatting was broken, javascript console shows use of document.layers()
(does NS 6/7 include these as an advantage over Mozilla, therefore causing the
webmasters to ignore us?) 

Expected Results:  
Umm... annoy the webmaster for use of obsolete javascript api's

Output from JavaScript console:
Error: document.layers has no properties
Source File:
http://a2044.g.akamai.net/7/2044/1725/3ce19bb1edd507/www.roxy.com/includes/top_nav_NS_homepage.js
Line: 9

Error: document.layers has no properties
Source File:
http://a2044.g.akamai.net/7/2044/1725/3ce19bb1edd507/www.roxy.com/includes/top_nav_NS_homepage.js
Line: 26

Error: document.layers has no properties
Source File:
http://a2044.g.akamai.net/7/2044/1725/fada216477237c/www.roxy.com/includes/top_nav_NS.js
Line: 9

Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Invalid ClassID or ContractID" 
nsresult: "0x80570017 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CID)"  location: "JS frame ::
chrome://inspector/content/jsutil/system/file.js :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 121" 
data: no]

Error: document.layers has no properties
Source File:
http://a2044.g.akamai.net/7/2044/1725/c4ec18f572842d/www.quiksilver.com/includes/top_nav_NS_homepage.js
Line: 9

There is heaps of stuff that was outputted. Go and see for yourself

Comment 1

[Kai Lahmann (is there, where MNG is)]

please check if this problem still exists, because we want to get rid of
unconfirmed bugs.
Many bugs in here are strill unconfirmed, because eigher nobody sees the problem
or nobody is able to get to the page because of a required login.

(sorry for the spam)

Comment 2

[Kai Lahmann (is there, where MNG is)]

please keep the URL field valid.

See it, so confirmed.

Comment 3

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

tech evang june 2003 reorg

Comment 4

[Mathew McBride]

With Mozilla and/or Firebird being recommended at a lot of places, its time to
turn up the heat a little. (read: "contact the webmaster").

Webmaster contacted - I will keep you posted. Assigning to Self

Comment 5

[Mathew McBride]

no response/acknoledgement so far. tick...tick..tick 

Setting targets. We can't really afford to hold this.

Comment 6

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

any word from these folks?

Comment 7

[Mathew McBride]

none. (1 letter sent so far). I'll revisit later.

[non-responsive]+

Comment 8

[Mathew McBride]

218215 is a possible dupe of this bug.

This is a 4xp-like issue. They feed us <layer> because they assume:

Mozilla/4.x without "compatible" (IE) and above -> use layer. \

I'll send them another letter soon

Comment 9

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

you meant 218285. Evang bugs for different sites are not dupes even if the
underlying problems are the same.

Comment 10

[Mathew McBride]

Sorry. Sometimes tabbed browsing can really fool me...

Its definitely shoddy server side browser sniffing. look at
http://web.archive.org/web/20030219075051/http://www.roxy.com/

Letter sent to [e-mail] (both sites have same webmaster
contact). Here is a copy.

Dear Webmaster,

I am writing to you regarding Mozilla Technology Evangelism Bugs 202696 and
218285 ( http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202696 &
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218285 ), concerning defective
browser sniffing pratices on roxy.com and quiksilver.com respectively. 

Your website is set up to feed web browsers pages using deprecated <layer> tags,
except in the presence of a Microsoft Internet Explorer User Agent (Mozilla/4.0
{compatible; MS IE 6.0}) 

Browsers affected include:
- Mozilla (all versions)
- Netscape (6.0 up. Netscape 6.0 and later do not use the same rendering engine
as 4.x)
- AOL & Compuserve for Mac OS X
- Konqueror (Unix platforms)
- Safari (Mac OS X)

While such browsers don't have a lot of market share, you are strongly encoraged
to write web pages complying to web standards, such as:
- HTML 4.0 and/or XHTML 1.0. http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1
- Cascading Style Sheets, Level 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2
- Document Object Model. http://www.w3.org/DOM/

Netscape DevEdge ( http://devedge.netscape.com ) contains valuable resources on
this topic. Example sites include news.com, wired.com and espn.com

Thanks, 
Mathew McBride

Comment 11

[Mathew McBride]

Dropping non-responsive since I sent the letter.

Comment 12

[Mathew McBride]

May the force fear the return of the [non-reponsive] tag!

Comment 13

[Mathew McBride]

Attachment: diff -upbB between ie and mozilla versions of pages

diff between Mozilla with IE user agent and Mozilla with normal useragent

confirms use of layers

still non-responsive :(

Comment 14

[Serge Gautherie (:sgautherie)]

I guess the following reported error is bug 189950 !?
{
Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Invalid ClassID or ContractID" 
nsresult: "0x80570017 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CID)"  location: "JS frame ::
chrome://inspector/content/jsutil/system/file.js :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 121" 
data: no]
}

Comment 15

[sjw]

Page was redesigned.
[closeme]

Comment 16

[[:Aleksej]]

WFM with Fx 26.0.