Closed Bug 203786 Opened 21 years ago Closed 21 years ago

Renaming Mozilla Firebird application to "Mozilla Browser"

Categories

(Firefox :: General, defect)

Product:
Firefox
Component:
General
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

()

Status:
VERIFIED INVALID

People

(Reporter: jmg, Assigned: bugzilla)

References

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Details

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030428 Mozilla Firebird/0.6
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030428 Mozilla Firebird/0.6

Latest nightlies still fail to meet the new branding guidelines of April 25,
differentiating between project name (Mozilla Firebird) and application name
(Mozilla Browser).

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open any of the latest nightlies.
2. Read the name of the application in the title bar.
3. Read the bookmarks toolbar.
4. Read Help -> About Mozilla Firebird.

Actual Results:  
The project name (Mozilla Firebird) appears as the application name.

Expected Results:  
The application name ("Mozilla Browser" and "Mozilla Browser 0.6", for these
nightlies) should be shown in the application, not the project name ("Mozilla
Firebird Project"), in the same way that there was for instance a "Mozilla 0.6",
etc., including the current browser Mozilla Navigator, and not a "SeaMonkey
0.6", etc.

According to the new Branding Strategy (April 25), the project and application
names are:

Project name:
"Mozilla Firebird" (until Mozilla 1.4)
"Mozilla Browser" (after Mozilla 1.4)

Application/product/files name:
"Mozilla Browser"

See also the point 6:

"6.  Product Naming in resources, executables and on the desktop

The Mozilla Browser and Mail programs should try to stick to the mozilla product
name whenever possible, even in resource names. [...]"

Mozilla Branding
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/branding.html
Blocks: 202233
I don't think this bug should block 202233, since this has nothing to do with
renaming "Phoenix" to "Firebird", but more "Firebird" to "Browser"
This doesn't block bug 202233.
No longer blocks: 202233
Just as you wrote, "Mozilla Browser" won't be Phoenix's name until work on
Mozilla 1.5 begins.
So "Mozilla Firebird" is still the valid project name. The branding page you
quote states this perfectly.

Suggesting WONTFIX.
-> Invalid. 

This is not a bug. The name is Mozilla Firebird until Mozilla Application Suite
1.4 is released. Feel free to reopen then. It's not a major bug either btw.
Severity: major → normal
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 21 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
Re: comment 3

> Just as you wrote, [...] So "Mozilla Firebird" is still the valid project
name. [...]

Yes, this is correct only with reference to the _project_ (not product) codename
for development, that according to the point 5.3 of the new Branding Strategy is
used as a project name -in development of the former Phoenix- before or during
the 1.4 release cycle.

The public application/product name on the desktop is different from the
internal project name. The points 5.3 and 5.4 of the new branding refer to
"project names" explicitly, until and after 1.4.

For the name of the application itself on desktop, "Mozilla Browser", please see
as said the point 6 of the branding guidelines, "Product Naming in resources,
executables and on the desktop".

And also, from the Mozilla Firebird Project page:

"Mozilla Firebird is just a project name, in the same way as the Mozilla
Application Suite is codenamed SeaMonkey". 

Because of this, for example the public name of the suite was, even before 1.0,
Mozilla 0.6, 0.7, etc., and SeaMonkey the project name for development.

If this interpretation of the Branding is not right ("just a project name, as
SeaMonkey"), please correct it on the documents. If on the contrary the previous
references are right, this bug should be reopened even in this stage.

Naturally, given that there are different opinions and I can be wrong, I think
we should not reopen this bug until the correct branding is clarified by one of
the drivers.

We might think, why bother about perhaps one month difference... Well, I also
thought it would be almost the same. But now, just to do the right thing. That's
major. ;-)

This bug will be reopened when 1.4 is released. It is not a bug at this time
(and it really shouldn't have been filed until after Mozilla 1.4).
It seems this means that project codename and application name are not
different, but both the same, "Mozilla Firebird" until Mozilla 1.4, in spite of
the point 6 (with "Mozilla Browser" as the program name on desktop) and other
points of the Branding guidelines. (Or I misunderstood the Branding, and also
the "just a project codename" statements).

Therefore, after Phoenix 0.5 and before Mozilla Browser 1.5, probably we are
going to have a public release of "Mozilla Firebird 0.6" instead of "Mozilla
Browser 0.6", and possibly PR issues one month more until Mozilla 1.4, when we
will be again on safe ground. Oh, well... Let's hope that I'm exaggerating about
this matter.

In the description, I've shortened "Mozilla Firebird Project application" to
just "Mozilla Firebird application", for greater clarity. Of course, drivers or
project people will decide when it's the right time to reopen this or any other
similar bug.
Summary: Renaming the Mozilla Firebird Project application to "Mozilla Browser" → Renaming Mozilla Firebird application to "Mozilla Browser"
Reopening. Mozilla 1.4 is out of the door and 1.5a is near.
Status: RESOLVED → UNCONFIRMED
Resolution: INVALID → ---
Confirming
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Well, I think one reason this has not been done yet is that replacing the
current Seamonkey browser with the firebird browser in the applications suite
which was scheduled for version 1.5 has slipped.

IMHO, renaming the standalone borwser to be "Mozzila Browser" when it is not the
same browser that comes as part of the applications suite will just lead to
confusion.

So, I will leave the decision as to whether the standalone browser should be
called Mozilla Firebird or Mozilla Browser to others, but would like to register
my objection to calling it Mozilla Browser unless and until it is actually the
borwser being used in the release version of the application suite.
QA Contact: asa
QA Contact: bugzilla
I'd like to propose the following:

Mozilla Browser/Mail/Calendar etc. should be the name of the *function*
fulfilled by a particular program; although the *program itself* would keep its
own name. So in the new app suite, the program "Mozilla Firebird" will fulfil
the function of "the Mozilla Browser", Thunderbird will be "Mozilla Mail", etc.

This way, if and when these programs become obsolete and another ground-up
rewrite is called for, we'll have different actual programs with different
names, but they'll still be the Mozilla Browser, Mozilla Mail et al.

In effect, I suppose this is little different from the official position...
-->INVALID.

References:
Will this name be permanent?
  http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/firefox-name-faq.html
Alex Bishop MZ comment
  http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=4278#92

I'm sure there are others if I looked more, but this should do...
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 21 years ago → 21 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
Verified using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7a)
Gecko/20040209 Firebird/0.8.0+
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
QA Contact: bugzilla → general
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