The Junk Mail controls dialog has grown with the addition of lots of options, but a serious lack of UI design. See the url for a screenshot. Some suggested changes: 1. Put the wording at the top. It's what you want to read before seeing the account popup. 2. Is the account popup necessary? Can't it just apply to the current account? 3. The 'Enable junk mail controls' checkbox needs to be outdented to the left, since it overrides all the other settings, and is not a peer to the other checkboxes. 4. Eliminate the two somewhat redundant folder choices under the "Move incoming" checkbox. Add a pseudo 'Junk' folder to the popup, and, if they choose to use that, create it. That also reduces the ambiguity involved with the "Automatically delete junk messages older than N days from this folder" (which folder?) 5. Move the 'Junk mail log' button to the lower left of the dialog. Possible redwordings: ... if the sender is in my address book: -> ... if the sender is in the address book: Move incoming messages determined to be junk mail to: -> Move new junk messages to: When I manually mark messages as Junk: -> When I mark messages as Junk: (if I do it, it's manual) Decide if it's "junk" or "Junk". And why not use "spam", since that's what everyone calls it?
the spec (http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/specs/spam/) calls for a better UI than the one I've currently implemented. what we've got now is definitely a rough draft. I'm to blame for the current "worse-is-better" UI.
This dialog has always gotten under my skin too =). I'm in the process of re-desiging it for Mozilla Thunderbird. Depending on what I implement, I may back port it to mozilla mail too. I have a *very* rough spec posted here (should show up in 15 minutes or so): http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/specs/junkmail/junkmail.html I just put this together tonight before I discovered this bug. I need to read Simon's suggestions and look at the original junk mail spec and then look at incorporating some of that information into my current spec. Feedback is always welcome.
I believe the current total separation of user model and dialogs for Junk Mail Controls and Message Filters contributes to UI bloating. (Further, it's clear there's scope for classifiers being of use outside of junk mail. Are these going to result in yet another set of menu picks and dialogs?) Long term, I'd like to see these two (three) features more or less unified. Short term, what about using separate variants of the same general dialogs for both Junk Mail and Message Filters? An initial junk version of the Tools / Message Filters / Filter Rules dialog could omit the "Match all of the following" and "Match any of the following" radio buttons, and the More and Less buttons, and the Subject, Body, etc. "is", "contains", etc. filter criteria drop-downs and fields, and replace that lot with appropriate junk specific replacements, eg a drop-down list with "Message looks like spam", "Origin is blacklisted", "Origin is blacklisted (confirmed spammer)", etc., plus entries for selecting a whitelist address book and a blacklist, er, list. -- ralph
This is to address a UI issue that came up in bug 214782: The setting at bottom of the JMC dialog reads:  When I manually makr messages as Junk: () Move them to the "Junk" folder () Delete them The first option's wording, it turns out, is a little misleading: the reporter of the cited bug read it to mean moving the message into a folder called "Junk" for the account, where it actually targets "the junk folder for this account as specified by the previous option." This could be fixed easily, if a little verbosely, by changing it to: () Move them to the "Junk" folder specified above ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I prefer "Enable the Junk Mail Control Log" choice in option setting panel to one in Junk Log View panel, if "Junk Log Control" means Enable/Disable only. This is applicable to Mail Filter Log too.
Would it make sense to put junk mail controls as an account manager panel?
Maybe not all the options. Some of the JMC options could be considered global, and should have a page Preferences|Mail&News. Such as:  Do not mark as junk if the sender is in my address book  Move incoming messages when (auto-) detected as Junk  Move message when (manually) marked as Junk (and the accompanying radios) These options (to me) seem to be candidates for global preferences; it seems unlikely that a user would want different behaviors on these points for different accounts. Whether JMC is enabled for the account certainly should be account-specific. Whether the log is enabled also (as, I believe, it currently is). Which folder to use is maybe more complex. I use one Local Folder for Junk from four different POP accounts. But if I had an IMAP account, I'd probably want to leave those messages on the server for handling, and so want an account-specific folder for that. Maybe one Junk folder (probably on the local storage) could be specified as a global preference, and the per-account setting would be: ( ) Default Junk folder (x) Other: [folder dropdown] (I don't really see why the option "Junk" folder on [account dropdown] exists in the current setup.) On the other hand, maybe a global-folder designation should be part of bug 30057. Finally, I think the selection of which addressbook to use as a whitelist is too limiting. In my case, I'd like ALL my addressbooks to be used. Maybe this setting should be in the address book, rather than in the JMC.
Moving settings into an Account Settings page is bug 180087. In my comment 8, it looks like I'm suggesting the Junk Log should be account-specific, but I intended to say it should be a global setting, which I believe it is currently. Cut-and-Paste fumble there.
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This should get some attention before the Seamonkey builds make a "real" debut, but I won't mark to block.
This should depend on: Bugzilla Bug 323159 "Trust junk mail headers set by:" should be consistent in UI and log location/access Not sure if this goes with "junk mail controls", but it sort of does. Bugzilla Bug 253268 add message read , junk status to search results window While here, junk mail could use better documentation: Bugzilla Bug 328847 Junk mail needs documentation
Bugzilla Bug 180087 Junk Mail Controls from Menu can be moved in Mail Account Settings should block this bug
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Is this one fixed or at least partially fixed by Bugzilla Bug 335846 Need a Junk Preferences Panel in Seamonkey?
I don't see a clear bug or plan here, and the restructuring we had looks good enough for me for SeaMonkey 1.1, so this bug is not not blocking that release in my eyes - I'm not even sure there's something left to do here after bug 180087 and bug 335846 have landed. Karsten, is this resolved with those checkins?
Flags: blocking-seamonkey1.1a? → blocking-seamonkey1.1a-
Well, as we no longer have a junk mail controls dialog, is this RESO INVA?
(In reply to comment #17) > Well, as we no longer have a junk mail controls dialog, is this RESO INVA? -> INVALID, I doubt this bug has anything more to give...
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 12 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
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