The download manager keybinding (Ctrl+E) is in between Ctrl+W (close window) and Ctrl+R (reload page) and it is very easy to hit. we should move it somewhere else on the keyboard that reflects its likelyhood of invocation.
What will Ctrl+E do instead? Search? :)
Is this mysteriously granted now? Ctrl-E has changed to Ctrl-Y on Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040411 Firefox/0.8.0+.
Ben checked this in 2004-04-09 22:04, possibly accidentally while making other changes to browser.dtd. The checkin comment was "provide a convenient way for adding smart keywords for web page searches by adding a context menu to form fields with HTTP-GET form actions." Ctrl+Y is still Redo (and only Redo) when focus is in a textbox, which is good.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 15 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Sigh... Ctrl-Y is pretty much equidistant from both control keys and is something of a stretch to reach. I'm more likely to press something else now that I need to span six inches between fingers than I was beforehand (actually, I never managed to miss Ctrl-E). Is the new key customisable, or should I open a new bug?
James, currently we don't have real customization of keybindings (other than hacking browser.jar) Would filing a new bug be to pick a different key? If you have a better keybinding that isn't taken and doesn't raise dataloss issues as Ctrl-E did, please speak up :)
Did we have actual complaints about people hitting the wrong key when trying to hit Ctrl+E? As mentioned in comment 4, Ctrl+Y is pretty much a two-hand shortcut now.
If you're gonna start changing keyboard shortcuts, you may as well put the Download Viewer on Ctrl+D (D for Downloads, you see) and move Add Bookmark to Ctrl-K (the K suggests booKmarK, which is more pertinent than aDD).
(In reply to comment #7) > If you're gonna start changing keyboard shortcuts, you may as well put the > Download Viewer on Ctrl+D (D for Downloads, you see) and move Add Bookmark to > Ctrl-K (the K suggests booKmarK, which is more pertinent than aDD). Ctrl-D is sort of the standard, being that it has always been the add bookmark keystroke for Netscape and IE (and probably Opera).
I'm unable to suggest a reasonable key, due to my lack of familiarity with all the platforms Mozilla supports. Does Firefox use F2 for anything? It seems nicely between 'Help' (this doesn't work?) and 'Find' so it's fairly harmless :) If I were to report a new bug, it would have been to make the key customisable. I'm not going to do that now because doing it piecemeal seems a bit of a hack, but doing it ubiquitously is unlikely to be worth the effort, even though I'd have suggested doing it without a UI at first. If nobody has a better suggestion for the key and there's a conviction that Ctrl-E is likely to bother people, I'm willing to drop the issue. Guess I'll get used to it eventually. Within a few years, we'll all have tiny keyboards to match our laptops and cellular phones, so I won't have to stretch as far :)
Was the idea that Ctrl+E is a bad shortcut even ever seconded by anyone? Myself, I much prefer Ctrl+E over Ctrl+Y but the whole user population of Firefox should not be inconvenienced by any single person either myself or Ben. Whatever the outcome we need a way to override this kind of thing in the profile. The idea that data loss is the reason just doesn't seem to justify changing the program. If anyone accidently closes a tab or window by any means that's hardly something catastrophic.
dataloss is considered a very bad thing in most quarters. There is an extension that allows you to remap keybindings in the browser, which you can use to set up whatever keybindings you wish. I agree with Ben's reasoning here, and ultimately, his decisions are final, as he is the project lead and has absolute authority to make any changes he deems necessary. That is how this project was set up and will continue to function.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
I must have missed this extension please provide a link. As for the change being final that's as it is and I have no delusions about anything changing simply because I wish it so. I would only like it considered that if the goal is for Firefox to become useful to as many people as is possible that changes should not be made without considering the principle of least surprise. I was very surprised that after upgrading from 0.8 the Downloads window appeared to have stopped working. This was of course very temporary as just going to the menu cleared up the problem. This particular change seems like a bad idea on at least two points: 1) the previously mentioned issue of key placement and 2) the overloading of a keyboard shortcut. Redo may not be as popular or well-known as say Copy or Paste but having two completely different actions happen based on the context for the same key bindings seems like trouble just waiting to happen. This is definitely a minor issue and I've already modified my copy to put it back to Ctrl+E but in the context of the 0.9 release there are a number of things users have been complaining about. Mostly the new default theme, the extension manager failing to install themes and extensions that never finish installing. I only hope that the opinions of the users are thoughtfully considered heading towards the 1.0 release. Ok, I think I'm done harping on this now. :-)
You need to log in before you can comment on or make changes to this bug.