261378 - laps.com.au - Seems to be hiding the menu behind flash animation.

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: English Other, defect)

Description

[tas papas]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040803 Firefox/0.9.3
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040803 Firefox/0.9.3

On the page http://www.laps.com.au/access_control.htm I have noticed the menu is
hidden by the flash animation.

On other pages this seems fine. I have only noticed the problem occuring where
there is flash animation.

I have tried this on xp, windows 2000 and the problem is the same. No Change.

Works fine with IE6


Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1.visit the website: http://www.laps.com.au/access_control.htm
2.move the moise over the drop menu
3.on the left you will notice the menu falls behind the flash animation.

Actual Results:  
it hides the menu.

Expected Results:  
bring the menu to front, just like it does in internet explorer6

No.

Comment 1

[José Jeria]

embed tag is missing the wmode="transparent" attribute --> Tech Evangelism

Comment 2

[Felix Miata]

Conforming summary to TFM item 10 at 
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tech-evangelism/site/procedures.html#file-new

Jose, when you move a bug to TE, please follow the guidelines for filing new TE
bugs.

Comment 3

[José Jeria]

Ah ok, thanks for pointing that out Felix, good to know.

Comment 4

[Alex Janssen]

I'd say this bug is confirmed.  I'm surprised that there are no votes and so few comments on this bug. See the page at http://www.packagingcorp.com for the page I ran into.  I have to use MSIE to see the menus at work, but I use Linux at home and am trying to switch to it at work.

Comment 5

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

Please contact this site and give them the fix in comment 1. http://www.packagingcorp.com/ is the same wmode issue, please contact them as well.

Comment 6

[Alex Janssen]

I was amazed!  I contacted them and they fixed it the next day. Done.
They said they would support Firefox in the future and thanked me for notifying them.  I will keep this handy for notifying other sites.  Thanks.

Comment 7

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

Thanks Alex! It is users like yourself that help make the web safe for all of us!

Comment 8

[tas papas]

(In reply to comment #1)
> embed tag is missing the wmode="transparent" attribute --> Tech Evangelism
> 
I have checked the above and found that the wmode is set to transparent.. could something else be causing this on this page?? (see extract from HTML below)



codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0" width="177" height="147">
                    <param name="movie" value="access_logos.swf">
                    <param name="quality" value="high">
		    <param name="wmode" value="transparent">
                    <embed src="access_logos.swf" quality="high" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="177" height="147"></embed></object></td>
              </tr>
            </table></td>

Comment 9

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

that html does not set wmode on the embed tag which is what firefox uses.

Comment 10

[tas papas]

Hi Bob,

I have the original file, and it does get the embed tag.

Comment 11

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

I watch all Tech Evangelism English bugs and don't need to be cc'd on individual bugs.

<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0" width="177" height="147">

<param name="movie" value="access_logos.swf">
<param name="quality" value="high">
<param name="wmode" value="transparent">
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this wmode parameter is set on the _object_ tag.
                          
<embed src="access_logos.swf" quality="high" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="177" height="147"></embed>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this embed tag does not have wmode="transparent" as is required for Firefox.

</object>

Comment 12

[Bryce Mozilla Nesbitt]

I get the "menu hidden under a flash animation" on all sorts of sites.
https://www.servepath.com/ and my CitiBank Credit Card website, for example.

Comment 13

[Druggo]

wmode="transparent" doesn't save the firefox under a linux, and always cover the menu on: http://www.gettyimages.com

Comment 14

[Bryce Mozilla Nesbitt]

Frankly, this should be treated as a bug, not advocacy.  Sites all over the world have this problem under Mozilla/Firefox.  It should be worked around in quriks mode.

Comment 15

[Alex Janssen]

Just tried the toyota.com website.  Still does not work.  I agree with Bryce in comment #14.  Maybe it could be worked around temporarily until every one gets around to fixing their web pages to comply with standards.  You know.  Make the browser force it to be transparent or whatever it needs.  Just temporarily.

Comment 16

[Druggo]

no transparent, I wonder if this is the problem of linux or firefox or flash-plugin ? I found konqueror do it right.

Comment 17

[Xis]

I have seen this on a huge number of web sites.

Samples:

Go to dailymotion.com, select a video, and then try to change the language. The drop-down language menu is behind the flash video and is useable if you are in a-e country. Forget France or US.

Go to the arte web site. The drop-down menus are falling behind the flash animation just below them. http://www.arte.tv/fr/70.html

These are the sample sites I found having the problem when surfing randomly 1 hour. OK you can say that the web site editors are not complying with the W3C standards, but at the end of the day, the users see a web site from a major editor (dailymotion or arte.tv are no local editors in a garage, I'd say), and they think FF has a bug, and they cannot properly navigate through the website because of this annoying behavior. And they switch to IE if they can.

I am a great fan of FF and use it 99% of my time. I'd be very glad if I would never need to sometimes switch to IE to properly view a broken site.

Comment 18

[tas papas]

The problem on this website was fixed by inserting some code.
Menu is no longer hidden.

Comment 19

[Chris Lawson (gone)]

INCOMPLETE due to lack of activity since the end of 2009.

If someone is willing to investigate the issues raised in this bug to determine whether they still exist, *and* work with the site in question to fix any existing issues, please feel free to re-open and assign to yourself.

Sorry for the bugspam; filter on "NO MORE PRE-2010 TE BUGS" to remove.