264184 - DevEdge is dead, Need to resurrect documentation

Status: RESOLVED INVALID

(www.mozilla.org :: General, defect)

Description

[Adalbert Homa]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10.1
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10.1

The DevEdge site was for the X years the best site for any developer. Now that
is dead, HTML, CSS, JS documentation is gone.
Any search using google or even the mozilla.org website has hundreds of
references all pointing to a dead web site.

Any junior or intermediate developer looking for information will have this
major problem. 

Mozilla.org should take an active role in resurrecting the lost documentation.
All references on the websites associated with Mozilla.org should be changed.

Netscape is dead, long live Mozilla.


Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
Go to http://devedge.netscape.com

Comment 1

[Felix Miata]

http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/private/css-d/2004-October/034609.html has
the following comment: 

The HTML and CSS sidebars having disappeared along with the contents of
http://devedge.netscape.com/ ...

There are zipped copies to download for local use on the following link:

http://www.tntluoma.com/sidebars/

Comment 2

[Hermann Schwab]

Theme Builder info for Netscape 6.2 is still available, the buildtool.xpi is
gone, as it was a beta for Netscape6.2. I don´t know the relevance of the
document, how outdated it is regarding current code, I´m not using or making themes.

http://wp.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/ns6/themes/index.html

Comment 3

[Hermann Schwab]

fixed URL, was http://devege.netscape.com, now http://devedge.netscape.com

Comment 4

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

Some articles are available at web.archive.org:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031215154156/http://devedge.netscape.com/

Comment 5

[Simon Paquet [:sipaq]]

*** Bug 266703 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 6

[(not reading, please use [e-mail] instead)]

*** Bug 267093 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 7

[Anne (:annevk)]

fantasai, are this the kind of things DevMo will host?

Comment 8

[Anne (:annevk)]

It's back. Leaving this open for the moment in case the content will actually
move  to mozilla.org.

Mitchell, do you know if Netscape has any plans in donating the content to us?

Comment 9

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

From the Netscape Browser Prototype FAQ: 

Q: Will Netscape DevEdge be re-launched?"
A: We are currently in the process of handing this off to the Mozilla foundation.

http://community.netscape.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=ws-nscpbrowser&nav=messages&tid=63&tsn=1

Comment 10

[Mitchell Baker]

Yes, I am working with AOL to get this to happen.  I'd like to be able to do
more than simply post the old documentation, I'd like for the Mozilla community
to be able to maintain and improve these docs as well.  

I am optimistic that the Mozilla Foundation will have the ability to make these
documents publicly available again.  There has been a delay because I was
swamped with Firefox 1.0 launch activities, but I'm working on this again now.

Mitchell  

Comment 11

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

It seems to be offline again... :(

Comment 12

[Patrick]

Mitchell: what's the status of this now? I'd be happy to help out if you need a
hand.

Comment 13

[Anne (:annevk)]

We have the content. There is work going on to get it organized a bit (not
public I believe).

Comment 14

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

We do have the content.  We are working to identify the still-valuable parts of
that content and to migrate that into a new system (Wiki) as quickly as possible
(JavaScript Reference is close to being done, JS Guide is up next).  If you have
specific content you are concerned about, please feel free to comment here or
email me about it so we can be sure it is prioritized properly.

If you would like to help migrate the content into the wiki, all the better.

Development wiki is here: http://developer-test.mozilla.org/docs/index.php/Main_Page

Comment 15

[fantasai]

Deb, is there any reason we cannot post the entirety of the site somewhere
public as-is so that the content is available to people besides you? That way
other people can help you migrate content based on what /they/ think is
important (just as volunteers help mozilla.org fix bugs /they/ think are
important), and the web development community at large can have access to a
resource that otherwise would be locked away until you personally had a chance
to go through and sort through it all.

Comment 16

[Anne (:annevk)]

If that is done, we should suggest that no-one links to it (with some banner at
the top), as it is going to be moved elsewhere.

Comment 17

[David Baron :dbaron: (⌚️UTC-4, no longer working on Mozilla)]

No, we should instead set up a URL structure that mirrors devedge's and
*encourage* people to link to it by search-replacing their links to devedge. 
Then we can redirect what we move later.  Giving people an easy way to fix all
their broken links will mean that there will be more links to the content and it
will be used more.

Comment 18

[Mitchell Baker]

And noting that the site is under construction, materials isn't all reviewed yet
 would be helpful.  

Mitchell

Comment 19

[Patrick]

a temp mirror of the old devedge is now online, see
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6458

Comment 20

[u115577]

*** Bug 275850 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 21

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

We now have http://devedge-temp.mozilla.org/, and most of the (good) content is moving over to http://developer.mozilla.org/.

Comment 22

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

devmo has all the good stuff now, plus we have devedge-temp.mozilla.org