267878 - Whitelist should be against Collected Address Book by default

Status: RESOLVED INVALID

(Thunderbird :: Address Book, defect)

Description

[Mike Fedyk]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10.1
Build Identifier: TB 0.9 (20041103)

If you have sent an email, there are good chances that you don't want a message
received from that person to be marked as junk.

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
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Actual Results:  
Whitelists check the Personal Address Book

Expected Results:  
Whitelists check the Collected Address Book

Comment 1

[David :Bienvenu]

we've deprecated the collected address book, on purpose...

Comment 2

[Mike Fedyk]

Where is this information posted?

What is the replacement?

I did a search for "mozilla deprecated collected address book" in google and
didn't see anything promising.

Also, Collected Address Book is a very helpful feature.  Yes, it has some
issues, but the entire concept is a good one.  Please reconsider.

Comment 3

[David :Bienvenu]

It was 4 or 5 years ago...all that's changed is now the personal address book is
used as the collected address book for outgoing mail. We con't collect incoming
mail, and haven't for long time because too much junk got in the address book.

Comment 4

[Mike Fedyk]

No, I'm not asking to collect incoming addresses, only that the collected
outgoing addresses be put in "Collected Address Book" instead of "Personal
Address Book" by default.

Comment 5

[Mike Fedyk]

The system that I am proposing:

1. Addresses are collected when sending messages
2. Those addresses go into "Collected Address Book"
3. The junk mail system then whitelists against the "Collected Address Book"

Now the system is:

1. Addresses are collected when sending messages
2. Those addresses go into "Personal Address Book"
3. The junk mail system then whitelists against the "Personal Address Book"

And "Collected Address Book" is (or will be) removed.  How does that solve
anything?  The user will just have to create another address book for what
"Personal Address Book" should be.

But this is already decided, so I'll just sigh and let you mark this bug as invalid.

Can you just rename "Personal Address Book" to "Collected Address Book" instead?

Comment 6

[David :Bienvenu]

I must not be being very clear. In Thunderbird (and Mozilla), the Personal
Address Book is the collected address book, and the personal address book at the
same time. We collect addresses into the personal address book. There's no need
for a separate collected addresses book - we feel that's simpler, so that users
don't have two address books where one will suffice. And we call that address
book Personal Addressbook.

Comment 7

[Mike Fedyk]

Yes, and you now have personal address book (PAB) automatically managed, so what
keeps important cards from being automatically removed from the PAB?

I'm sure these arguments have been made before, but I don't understand why it is
you think combining the clutter and automatic management of Collected Address
Book (CAB) should be combined with the permanence (I put a card in PAB and I
expect it to stay) and known state (where are my important contacts I put in PAB?).

There is a logical difference between someone who is important enough to be put
in PAB manually, and someone who you sent an email to once.  That is the
difference between PAB and CAB.

Also, I think removing CAB is just to keep people from complaining about
duplicates in CAB that are in PAB or an LDAP directory, which it won't -- only
smaller because there are fewer people with ldap directories.  And it still
doesn't get around the problem of mis-spelled addresses getting into CAB -- now
they'll be in PAB.

I don't see what removing CAB will actually fix and a lot of drawbacks.  I am
willing to be enlightened, so if you have an explanation or links I'd rather get
to the point than argue an old arguement.

Comment 8

[David :Bienvenu]

We're only collecting outgoing addresses. The reason the old CAB got cluttered
was it collected addresses for every message you clicked on. That was the
rationale.  If you don't want to collect addresses for messages you send, you
can turn off address collection, or you can make it so that addresses are
collected to the collected address book, and not the personal address book, just
like before......you're really arguing about defaults at this point. You want
the default to be the way you like things. Well, there are a lot of defaults
that I don't personally like but I can't go change them all :-)

Comment 9

[Mike Fedyk]

Changing the default is the purpose of this bug, but since there will be no CAB,
then the default is good within those parameters.

Mark this invalid if you agree.

Comment 10

[OstGote!]

(In reply to comment #9)
> Mark this invalid if you agree.

Please do it yourself. Thanks.