Large msg download via POP3 can provide better user experience

RESOLVED EXPIRED

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major
RESOLVED EXPIRED
14 years ago
13 years ago

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(Reporter: manojmailers, Assigned: mscott)

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Description

14 years ago
User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
Build Identifier: Thunderbird version 0.9 (20041103)

1.  I connect via dialup to fetch my POP mail in Thunderbird. I have set an
upper limit of 100K for mail size in Tools -> Account Settings -> Disk Space.

2.  When Thunderbird sees a bigger msg, it downloads a small header & displays a
"Truncated" warning in msg area, where there is a link to fetch rest of the msg.

3.  This Truncated warning should include 2 more pieces of info: a) the size of
actual msg in bytes (something I found very helpful in MS Outlook); & more
importantly, b) another link that lets me delete the msg from server without
fetching it first!

Not only does lack of 3b waste bandwidth, it wastes my personal time since the
msg whose rest of body is being fetched must remain current through fetch
process, or Thunderbird cancels the fetch (late reported as bug by someone else
indepently, I think).

Motivation for 3a comes primarily because I am migrating from MS Outlook. There
I set a 100K limit, fetch msgs, Oulook gives me the few bigger msgs it could not
fetch along with header, I increase the account setting to fetch most except
those say above 2MB, again Outlook says this one remaining msg is big, I again
increase account limit to fetch this. Outlook also doesn't provide 3b, but at
least it doesn't have me sit personally in front of PC to ensure my server space
is freed.

PS: I pay for server space by MBs consumed - so keeping it free is important.

Reproducible: Always
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I am rating the problem to a severity above normal because it wastes my personal
time every day.
> a) the size of actual msg in bytes(something I found very helpful in MS Outlook)
I think this is possible by placing size information in LIST command responce to
truncated message text.
But if not all server retunrs size information, what should be done?

> & more importantly, b) another link that lets me delete the msg from server
> without fetching it first!
Current implementation is ;
  Use "Leave messages on server" and "Until I delete or move them from Inbox".
If you set this options, I think the mail will be deleted from server after you
moved the truncated message(without additional download) from Inbox to other
mail folder, although continuous server connection or re-dialup is probably
required.
Is it true? 
(Sorry but I did not tested yet)

Anyway, some bugs are already opened for similar requests to your "b)".
(found by searching bugs whose summary includes "delete mail server",  Product =
mail&news or thunderbird)
See bug 47297, bug 140489 and bug 263327.
See also bug 185791 and bug 226839 for related requests.   	  
(Reporter)

Comment 2

14 years ago
Among yr refs, two sound interesting - #47297 (a window into POP server) &
#185791 (sync with server at next opportunity) - thanks. Both have been open for
2y - an indication of their priority!

Issue is not just inconvenience - it wastes both my personal time, & money.
Former, because I must manually click download link on each truncated msg till
the full msg loads; and I must complete this procedure on each truncated msg in
turn. Money because I pay for bandwidth in a unit called "pulse" - currently a 3
minute period, & I pay for server space per MB - cannot wait for stuff to linger
there.

I am actually comparing the overall experience with Outlook I have on my older
machine - I never had these issues there. Thunderbird is giving me something
Outlook doesn't give, & but is weaker in more important issues - things that
waste my money & time.

Actually, #47297 gives me an idea - cannot Thunderbird automatically delete the
truncated msg from server NEXT TIME it connects to server, if a) I had told it I
don't want to keep downloaded msgs at server ever, & b) if it finds that a
partial msg it had loaded previously has been deleted (not "moved") by me. That
would make it much better than Outlook.

Neither of "Leave messages on server" and "Until I delete or move them from
Inbox" is interesting - I NEVER want to keep msgs on server after successsful
download.
(In reply to comment #2)
> Money because I pay for bandwidth in a unit called "pulse" - currently
> a 3 minute period, & I pay for server space per MB - cannot wait for
> stuff to linger there.
I can understand it very well.

> Neither of "Leave messages on server" and "Until I delete or move them from
> Inbox" is interesting - I NEVER want to keep msgs on server after successsful
> download.

It is usable even for already downloaded mails and even on current design,
although some(many?) restriction exist.
 (1) Make other folder.
 (2) Move all downloaded messages to it from Inbox.
     ==> Downloaded mails will be deleted from server, if connected later.
 (3) Move "truncated" message without "additonal download" when large size,
     although this is impossible until "a)" is implemented.
Using "Inbox" as downloading workarea only is best way, I think, in any
situation, any mail software, to avoid unwanted problems, if POP3.
Further, "Delete from server" of Message Filter can be used.
See conditions in "Message Filter".
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