270389 - Move the mozilla suite on the mozilla.org homepage to a "better" position than the lowest right corner.

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(www.mozilla.org :: General, defect)

Description

[Manuel Reimer]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910

Some months ago the following thread on mozillazine:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=806696 showed the new "changes"
for mozilla.org. I don't know/don't understand why the product "Seamonkey" (so
far also known simply as "Mozilla") gets moved to an place where it's nearly not
to find. Maybe some persons visit mozilla.org, but heh, they visit mozilla.org
to download *the* Mozilla. Why do you place bugzilla and Seamonkey on one level?
Are "end-users" really as interested in Bugzilla as in Seamonkey? Isn't
Seamonkey more interesting for end-users and should be placed on a "easier to
find" level? Both (the suite and the single components) have their range of use
and you should let the users decide which they want to choose.

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
Simply visit mozilla.org :-)
Actual Results:  
It's impossible to find the suite on the first view.

Expected Results:  
I don't think the suite has deserved to be hidded to the last right corner on
the page. I think it should be shown in a way like Thunderbird on the Homepage
including a small screenshot and a sort explaination that the suite is Mail,
News, Browser, Chat, Webeditor, ... all in once. One install to get everything.

Comment 1

[Tobias Fischer]

Seconded. Especially when you are running a lower screen resolution the very
small link for Mozilla-Suite at http://www.mozilla.org/ is really hard to find. 

The order of Presentation at http://www.mozilla.org/products/ looks good for me,
Seamonkey is placed well here. Until mozilla.org is the home of the
Mozilla-Suite too, it deserve a better place. 

Comment 2

[Daniel Wang]

Mozilla has good position in products/ though
I think Mozilla would have a better chance of getting better position if it's
renamed so to avoid confusion of Mozilla Firefox v.s. Mozilla Suite browser

this bug is probably wontfix

Comment 3

[Karsten Düsterloh]

> I think Mozilla would have a better chance of getting better position if it's
> renamed so to avoid confusion of Mozilla Firefox v.s. Mozilla Suite browser

That's outright ridiculous.
The Mozilla Suite *is* Mozilla, Firefox is just a spin-off (even if somewhat ;-)
successful).
No-one emphasizes "Mozilla" in "Mozilla Firefox", in fact I've never met anyone
calling "Firefox" anything other than just "Firefox"!

Comment 4

[Markus Grob]

> The Mozilla Suite *is* Mozilla, Firefox is just a spin-off (even if somewhat ;-)
> successful).
> No-one emphasizes "Mozilla" in "Mozilla Firefox", in fact I've never met anyone
> calling "Firefox" anything other than just "Firefox"!

Yes. I mean it also.

Why not anything like this:

 ___________________________
|                           |
|         Firefox           |
|___________________________|
|             |             |
| Thunderbird |   Store     |
|_____________|_____________|
|             |             |
|  Mozilla    |  the rest   |
|_____________|_____________|

As description would be enogh anything like:
Mozilla, the whole suite with browser, mail-, und newsclient.

Comment 5

[Robert Kaiser]

Actually, I quite well like it the way http://www.mozilla-europe.org/ has solved
this. It may not be perfect, but as we are aware of, the mozilla.org design
isn't either in the regard.

And the Mozilla suite is still one of our prime products - else it wouldn't make
mnuch sense to do regular releases, have tinderboxen and all the way we do now.
And SeMonkey still _has_ a future - we still have to advert it as what it is -
one of our prime products (even if less orientated to the so-called "dumb"
end-user).

Comment 6

[Robert Kaiser]

IMHO, this is fixed with current design of the front page.