273575 - Please drop copyright on firefox artwork for us Debian users!

Status: VERIFIED WONTFIX

(Marketing :: Trademark Permissions, task)

Description

[Pete van der Spoel]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0

I love Firefox. I also love Debian. Please please please drop the non-free
copyright you have on the new firefox artwork so that us Debian users can use it
too! I understand you wanting to protect it with trademarks and Debian doesn't
have a problem with these, it's the non-free copyright that's causing the problem.

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
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Comment 1

[Thomas K. (:tom)]

Check these threads:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg00450.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/02/msg01877.html
That might help you.

This quote intrigues me:

Trademark law isn't as broad as you might think -- it also isn't as broad as 
the Mozilla Foundation is claiming it is.  (Bad them!)

From: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/02/msg01882.html

Comment 2

[Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley]

See related bug 269460 (RFE: free/open-source binaries of Firefox on FTP server)
which is wider than just liberating/replacing the artwork (e.g.: installer,
talkback program, contract in installer, any other proprietary software, the name).

(In reply to comment #1)
> Trademark law isn't as broad as you might think -- it also isn't as broad as 
> the Mozilla Foundation is claiming it is.  (Bad them!)

My understanding is that MF are not not licensing the *copyright* on the artwork
either (or, at least, it is ambiguous).

Comment 3

[Todd J. Troxell]

Please make your pretty icons free!

Who do I need to convince?  This is a long-standing bug.

Comment 4

[Pete van der Spoel]

With Debian testing being frozen
[http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html] and the
real chance of a stable release of 'Sarge' within the next months, could the
Mozilla Foundation find it in their hearts to drop the non-free copyright on the
Firefox artwork, at least for Debian Stable?

Where there's a will there's a way!

Comment 5

[Chris Beard]

Official licensing program in place at http://www.mozilla.org/licensing/ and some concessions have been made for Debian.  Please see Web site for further details and/or escalate to [e-mail].

Comment 6

[Todd J. Troxell]

Unfortunately making concessions Debian does not make the trademarks completely free.  The policy states "You can't put the Mozilla logo on anything that you produce commercially -- at least not without receiving Mozilla's permission." and this violates the anti-discrimination clause of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. See bullet point 8.

http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

Comment 7

[Thomas K. (:tom)]

Verifying WontFix, see IceWeasel