274848 - pages look different

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Core :: Layout, defect)

Description

[Barmace]

as you can see on the I.e. Vs. Foxfire.  Foxfire is smaller than I.e.  My 
display settings are as follows

1024X800 120 dpi

now if I switch my settings to 96 dpi 

I.e. and Foxfire look the same. but at 120 dpi you can see the difference as 
shown on my website.  As I look at the screen shot I took they look HUGE.  But 
in reality it is very difficult to read the page when I am using Foxfire.  

what I think would solve this (I am guessing) give an option to goto 120 dpi 
instead of 96 as shown on my website.

I would be glad to know your thoughts on this

Barmace (Jimmy)

Comment 1

[Barmace]

This page is just a sample.  I also tested this on http://msn.com and you can 
see Foxfire's page is smaller 

Comment 2

[Oliver Klee]

Over to Core: Layout.

Comment 3

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 114270 ***

Comment 4

[Felix Miata]

Attachment: Screenshot 096 DPI IE6

Comment 5

[Felix Miata]

Attachment: Screenshot 096 DPI Firefox

No material difference from IE

Comment 6

[Felix Miata]

Attachment: Screenshot 120 DPI IE6

Comment 7

[Felix Miata]

Attachment: Screenshot 120 DPI Firefox

No material difference from IE

Comment 8

[Felix Miata]

http://www.cityofheroes.com/

Reporter, I told you on IRC there was no FF bug, but you left before I could
finish explaining. http://www.cityofheroes.com/css/coh_styles.css shows that
everything is laid out in px, so there should be nothing on the page dependant
on DPI. I cannot see any significant differences between FF & IE. -> worksforme

Comment 9

[Barmace]

I understand what you wrote alas you do not have the same setting that I have
thus you are not reproducing my problem

please set your display to 

1280X800 and 120 dpi and then show me how you have the same page?

Comment 10

[Felix Miata]

I tried also at 1280x768, 1280x960 and 1280x1024 at 120 DPI. There were no
differences there, so no reason for more screenshots.

Which version of Flash is IE using, and which version of Flash is FF using?

Comment 11

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

First, FF does not use the dpi setting from Windows. FF has its own setting.
Workaround: use the own setting. If this is considered the primary problem, the
resolution is duplicate of bug 114270. Marking as such.

Second, the font size pref in FF is in px--not in pt. Workaround: Set a size
multiplied by 1.25. If this is considered the primary problem, the resolution is
invalid, because FF uses px by design.

Comment 12

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

First, FF does not use the dpi setting from Windows. FF has its own setting.
Workaround: use the own setting. If this is considered the primary problem, the
resolution is duplicate of bug 114270. Marking as such.

Second, the font size pref in FF is in px--not in pt. Workaround: Set a size
multiplied by 1.25. If this is considered the primary problem, the resolution is
invalid, because FF uses px by design.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 114270 ***

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 114270 ***

Comment 13

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

Sorry about the everconfirmed bit. That was a slip of the pointing device. :-(

Comment 14

[Felix Miata]

Henri, this bug has nothing whatsoever to do with DPI. You can see on the
reporter's web page/screenshot, his default size is 22px, larger than the
20px/12pt@120DPI used by IE. It simply doesn't matter on the City of Heroes page
anyway, since it is entirely styled in px, as reporter and I discussed on IRC.

MSN gives IE different HTML and CSS from everything else, so MSN is not
comparable. 10632 byte http://hp.msn.com/css/home/home-nav6.css?v=14 is given to
FF, while 11950 byte http://hp.msn.com/css/home/home-ie6.css?v=14 is given to
IE, and the HTML file sizes are 47518 and 51675 for FF & IE respectively, both
of which are in quirks mode, in which Gecko does not attempt to match IE exactly
anyway.

So, as to City of Heroes, this is still worksforme, and as to MSN, which also
does not use any markup or CSS that is DPI dependant, invalid.

Comment 15

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

> So, as to City of Heroes, this is still worksforme, and as to MSN, 
> which also does not use any markup or CSS that is DPI dependant, invalid.

So why is this reopened and not WFM or invalid?

What exactly is the alleged bug here? "pages look different" is not a proper bug
summary.

Does this bug report claim that FF renders px-sized fonts wrong (INVALID)? Does
this claim system dpi is not respected (DUPLICATE)? Does this claim that IE
resizes px in "large fonts" mode (not a FF bug; INVALID)?

Comment 16

[Barmace]

I am not sure if I can help anymore but I think what I put as a summary is right.

I SO WANT TO USE FF.  but I would like the page to be the same size.  Font
doesn't matter because I know style my be different.  it is the different sizes
of the screen that concerns me.

I also wanted to mention that I am using my laptop for this test but I will test
FF out on my desktop machine to make sure it is not just my laptop i.e. driver,
screen etc.

Comment 17

[Barmace]

It appears that it is only on the 1200X800 120 dpi and it appears to only happen
with my laptop.

I do not have those setting on my desktop.  I will leave it up to you what you
want to do.  I have changed my setting to 

1200X800 96 DPI and it looks fine.  I will just use it this way.

I made many changes in my setting on FF to make it work but I can not.  The
screen shots on the webpage I gave you never changed no matter what I did I left
the setting that I put but it didn't make a difference what I did the screen
never changed it was visibly different.  If you would like me to show you I can
change all the setting in FF to standard and change my display to 1200X800 120
dpi and it will look the same as I have shown you.

Comment 18

[Felix Miata]

Reporter, in comment 0 you say you are using 1024X800, but then your web page
displays images 1280x800. I've never heard of resolution settings of either
1024x800 or 1280x800. You can see most common and uncommon settings listed at
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/std-resolutions.html. Yours aren't among them.

You say laptop, but give no information about your laptop except for the FF
default font size, resolution, and DPI settings. At this point, even though we
don't literally have such a status, this bug is currently NEEDINFO. In comment
10, I asked questions you have yet to answer. Without more information,
including what I asked for, no one is likely to be able to reproduce your
non-standard settings, or your problem. Without a complete reproduction scenario
for others to use, there will be nothing anyone can fix. So, either give enough
detail about your hardware and settings for others to attempt to reproduce, or
this bug will necessarily be either left to languish, or resolved invalid.

Comment 19

[Jonathan]

Seems invalid after 17 years sans response

Comment 20

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

Site no longer reachable.