277156 - Page won't load fully.

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Firefox :: General, defect)

Description

[willply]

I've been hearing from a few visitors of late that some of our "longer" pages
are not loading properly.  From what I can tell & figure they are all using Firefox.

I'm testing it out right now and I'm noticing the same problem. The page stops
loading WAY too soon.  I've looked through the coding on the page there is
nothing out of the ordinary or odd that should be effecting it. IE works great
though.

Any suggestions or thoughts?

Comment 1

[Patrick]

i see no differences between yesterday's nightly build of Mozilla Suite, Firefox
and IE6/WinXPSP2.

All end with 
"Lucid Film (Ryan Phillippe)
9350 Civic Center Drive
Los Angeles, CA 90210
310-777-3536

** Please note that we do our best to keep the page updated and accurate, but
addresses can frequently change (without our knowing it) so it is best to check
with the company first to make sure they have not moved.
________
1997-2005 Copyright Done Deal/Scriptsales.com"

Or isn't that the problem?

Comment 2

[Peter van der Woude [:Peter6]]

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050106
Firefox/1.0+

WFM

Comment 3

[willply]

Well, I went ahead and ripped out of a bunch of code which seemed to help.

BUT... I still find it very odd that IE has shown the pages for years with no 
problems but Firefox couldn't handle it.  Also, the code was nothing special at 
all. The most basic HTML coding around.  I could never find any reason for it 
not too load that made sense.

And I have no idea what any of the two comments or questions above mean. :)

Comment 4

[Peter van der Woude [:Peter6]]

(In reply to comment #3)
> Well, I went ahead and ripped out of a bunch of code which seemed to help.
> 
> BUT... I still find it very odd that IE has shown the pages for years with no 
> problems but Firefox couldn't handle it.  Also, the code was nothing special at 
> all. The most basic HTML coding around.  I could never find any reason for it 
> not too load that made sense.
> 
> And I have no idea what any of the two comments or questions above mean. :)

While you're at it, you may want to validate your page.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.scriptsales.com/DDProdCoAL.html
There are a few things (all 295) that you may correct in the process

btw,here the page loads approximately equally fast on any browser

Comment 5

[willply]

What's the best way to validate stuff?  What would I really be fixing and 
helping on a page that seems to be working really well? Very curious to learn.

Thanks. And please pardon my programming naiveté.

Comment 6

[Patrick]

(In reply to comment #3)
> And I have no idea what any of the two comments or questions above mean. :)

comment 2 Peter says "WORKS FOR ME" [WFM] and he lists the version of Mozilla
Firefox that he tried it with.

comment 1: i say that i see no differences between three different browsers i
used. Mozilla Suite, Mozilla Firefox or Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP
Service Pack 2.

Summary: we can't reproduce your problem :)

Comment 7

[Patrick]

(In reply to comment #3)
> Well, I went ahead and ripped out of a bunch of code which seemed to help.
> 
> BUT... I still find it very odd that IE has shown the pages for years with no 
> problems but Firefox couldn't handle it.  

Well, for some reason the page also worked for us, even before you made changes.
So i can't say too much about if/why Firefox wouldn't have worked with your page.

Comment 8

[willply]

Ah, gotcha.  I'm going to have to work on my net/programming lingo.

I probably should have waited to clean stuff up myself but I was concerned 
about it since the site is live.

If it will "help" Firefox I could always load a sample back up that was giving 
my problems.

Comment 9

[Peter van der Woude [:Peter6]]

Not especially fix ... in that sence.
But if the page validates properly, you can be 99% sure it will show what you
want in any browser / any Operating system.

I'd start with a simplified page though, just learn step by step how to improve.
If the basics are right it's easy to expand to the full page.

simple thinge like use 
.. <style type="text/css"> instead of <style>
.. <body style="color:#000000;background-color:#FFFFFF">  instead of <body
text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
.. <img src="whatever.jpg" alt="image missing" title="whatever">
.. don't use deprecated tags like <font> but e.g.<span style="font-size:12px">

and much more.

If you do it right... but it takes some practice/playing, you'll bring down the
pagesize considerably too (as a bonus) which makes it load faster.

Comment 10

[willply]

Understood. Thanks much for that.  I'll have to see whatelse I can learn then.

And just so no one thinks I was making this up... :)

I've "reproduced" one of the pages with the error here: 
http://www.scriptsales.com/DDProdCoALFirefox.html

This is what it was doing before for me (and others) when using Firefox.

Comment 11

[Patrick]

Indeed the new URL displays wrong in Firefox when compared to IE.
Cause for the difference [in general terms]: the coding is probably not
according to the World Wide Web Consortium specifications.

Firefox follows them closely [that gives sites that are most predictable to
program and gives best cross browser/platform results].

IE is somewhat more forgiving at times, which is precisely the cause of this
problem.

Investigating the cause closer now....

Comment 12

[willply]

Ah, some I'm not completely nuts. ;)

That definitely helps to know.  It seems related from what little I know and 
can tell from having all the font code in there.  That's what I took out to fix 
it. But who knows?

Appreciate all the help and advice. Very kind of all.

Comment 13

[Patrick]

(In reply to comment #12)
> Ah, some I'm not completely nuts. ;)

;)

> Appreciate all the help and advice. Very kind of all.

I'll be sending you a direct e-mail shortly with some validation info, is that ok?
[using e-mail because it's beyond the scope of bugzilla]

Comment 14

[willply]

Yes, of course.  Please don't go out of your away, of course, but again any 
help is terrific. This is all great to learn about.

Comment 15

[Patrick]

Attachment: Dreamweavers validation report on the site appearing broken in Firefox

Intended as Private Message to reporter. These messages are in more down to
earth language.

Others, please ignore :)

Comment 16

[Patrick]

Attachment: And Dreamweaver's validation report on the updated page appearing OK in Firefox

same comment as before.

Comment 17

[willply]

Wow. This should keep me busy and out of trouble for awhile.

Thanks.

Comment 18

[Patrick]

per comments here -> wfm