From Bug Helper: User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-NSCP (Win95; I) BuildID: Open Directly Search should probably named Netscape Search Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1.run s search from search sidebar panel 2.pick engine 3. Actual Results: can't find "Netscape Search" Expected Results: Netscape Search should be listed (on top?)
Netscape Search should NOT be listed on top. (The list is sorted alphabetically and will remain that way, irregardless of what Netcenter wants.) For Netscape, there is the "Netscape Open Directory" file. It came from Netcenter named that way.
Reassigned to Mike Davis who will update the Sherlock files to fix the naming issues. Also marking M14 and nominating beta 1 since the branding of "Netscape Search" is a business requirement. Netcenter incorrectly named their search engine "Netscape Open Directory" in the Sherlock file. They will change that to "Netscape Search" in the Sherlock file to fix that. In addition to that, all the Netscape category names look terrible in the list. Netcenter needs to come up with a shorter name for each of their category searches. This fix is not a beta stopper, but easy to fix and is a beta 1 polish issue. Also, for beta 1, we have to stick to sorting alphabetically. The only way to put the factory default at the top is to rename it (put a "-" or "." before the name). Longer term, however, we should discuss a better sorting answer for usability and business reasons. It is a better user experience for the default to be listed at the top. Especially as the list of providers grows, we don't want to have to scroll to see the default. Perhaps after beta 1, we can see if we can come up with a way for Mozilla and Commercial to define a factory default (others using mozilla might have it set to Yahoo or ...) and put that factory default at the top of the list. I will start a separate bug on this "factory default comes first" need, and we can discuss it there.
Revised the Sherlock files for the fifteen Netscape Categories with renamed NAME attributes (to lose the "Netscape Search - " portion). The Sherlock file for Netscape Open Directory was renamed Netscape_Search.src and so was its corresponding GIF file. Inside Netscape_Search.src, the NAME attribute was renamed to ".Netscape Search". (I used the preceding period to address the alphabetization issue it being less conspicuous than the dash character.)
I won't accept the change to use a starting period to get "Netscape Search" first in the list. JOHNG: stop suggesting changes like this.
rjc, is it that you don't want "Netscape Search" first on the list or is it that the prepended period is an ugly hack? If your problem is the latter, then I can suggest an invisible hack that will allow us to sort the list however we want even if the code is limited to sorting alphabetically. The hack only assumes that to determine alphabetical you are really using ASCII order.
Claudius, the issue is that end users are going to be able to fully customize all these settings: adding/renaming/deleting/sorting categories, as well as adding/renaming/deleting/sorting individual search engines.
Is there a way we can have it show up correctly in the Advanced tab and still protect the sorting in the aggregated results UI? Can we have another attribute to sort on that is hidden taht we use within the Advanced tab?
Not clear on the status of this. Is Netscape search on the list and we are just debating about Netscape being first? Or is Netscape just on on the list. Please clarify. Thanks.
daver, Netscape is on the list. In fact, (at least for beta1) for all the different search categories except for "Web", Netscape is currently the ONLY engine. [A side issue, but this desperately needs to change by FCS... hopefully Netcenter is working full steam on marking a lot of deals with 3rd parties so that we ship with a strong, solid list of useful categories, each of which has various popular & useful engines]
Myron, I've checked in your latest set of changes. (Two small changes: I removed the leading period, and I didn't rename the "Netscape Open Directory.src" file as it meant changing Makefiles for all platforms as well, and I didn't have a current build to test. I *did* change the name inside of the file to be "Netscape Search" though; that's what counts in terms of what users see, so hopefully that's just dandy.) I'd recommend that, post beta1, we change the names (yet again) so that they do have "Netscape" in them somewhere. Its a bad precedence (we wouldn't want multiple files from multiple engines all using the word "Sports", for example)... how about putting "Netscape" after the name, such as "Sports @ Netscape" or "Sports - Netscape"... ?
acknowledged....makes sense to me.
Putting on PDT+ radar for beta1. Suggest e just put space before Netscape Search so it shows up at the top of the list.
Is this assigned to the person that will implement the fix? If so, when is the anticipated landing date? Please put it in the status whiteboard. Thanks, Jim
Reassign to rjc
Marking as fixed.
this bug is VERIFIED fixed. with 2000022908 builds