Prog's tracking bug: Bugs that annoy Suite users switching to Firefox

VERIFIED INVALID

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VERIFIED INVALID
14 years ago
14 years ago

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(Reporter: bugzillamozilla, Assigned: bugzilla)

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(Depends on: 1 bug, {meta})

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Description

14 years ago
Bug 246237 - "Ctrl+Backspace in the address bar is incorrectly handled..."
Bug 206175, INVALID - "Tabs (default Firefox theme) need a visual redesign"
Bug 187488, WONTFIX - "No site navigation bar (link navbar)"
Bug 253478, WORKSFORME (that is... doesn't) - "remove bookmark notification pannel"
Bug 257311 - "Bookmark all tabs in a folder" should focus and clear the Name
field...
Bug 177498, WONTFIX - "ctrl-enter functionality conflicts with mozilla's"
Bug 216501, WONTFIX - "Ability to pick and choose file associations"
Bug 250587, WONTFIX - "Find Toolbar: Ctrl+F should close an already open find
toolbar" (not directly a Seamonkey-parity issue, but no issue with the modal
Find dialog)
Bug 280195, Bug 254961, Bug 251735, Bug 229343, Bug 241282 - Installer issues
Bug 172675 - "accel-click on personal toolbar does not open folder as a group of
tabs'
Bug 250309 - "allow disabling of Find Toolbar with Find As You Type"
Bug 250924, WONTFIX - "Find toolbar should expose full text/links-only find options"

The above bugs prevent me from from switching to Firefox, but are clearly not
the only ones that effect Seamonkey users. Feel free to add the ones you deem
important.

Prog.
(Reporter)

Updated

14 years ago
Whiteboard: parity-seamonkey
Seamonkey parity isn't a stated goal or a desirable attribute for the Firefox
project.  There is no point to tracking WONTFIX bugs, unless you're looking to
add fuel to a fire.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 14 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
This bugs prevent YOU from switching.
I have different issues:
a) no search through the URL bar
b) The mime-type of the helper applications are not listed in the preferences
c) I want Seamonkeys Passwordmanager and not the one from FF

No a single bug from your list is somewthing I need or want.

I can't see a reason why you created this bug about your opinion.

-> invalid 
sorry Mike, it was a mistake to override your changes (mid-air)...
Leaving depencys for the useless bugs to avoid more bugspam...
(Reporter)

Comment 4

14 years ago
(In reply to comment #1)
> Seamonkey parity isn't a stated goal or a desirable attribute for the Firefox
> project.

Since when is parity to any browser a stated goal? It's something potential
switchers want, not something that *must* be done.

> There is no point to tracking WONTFIX bugs, unless you're looking to add fuel
to a fire.

In fact there is. It shows which bugs have been the requested by users of other
browsers, and makes it easy to find them for future re-evaluation.

(In reply to comment #2)
> This bugs prevent YOU from switching.

Did you not read the last paragraph of comment #0? I specifically suggest other
Seamonkey users to add their input.

> No a single bug from your list is somewthing I need or want.

That's why I encouraged users, like you, to add bugs they do need/want to the
depends list.

Unless Firefox devs don't give a rats ass about Seamonkey users, this input
*can* be useful. Please re-open this bug.

Prog.
So this bug was supposed to be some sort of giant tracker for seamonkey users to
bitch in?  That's not appropriate, or useful.

If we decide we don't want feature/behaviour X, we're not going to implement it
because Seamonkey users want it.  Bugzilla is not a democracy, Firefox is even
less of one.  Decisions are generally based on the merit of the proposal,
catering to a specific group of users isn't the answer.

Related note, of the bugs that are still open on this list, all seem to be valid
on their own, except for a couple that seem to be dupes.  Tracking them in
relation to a bogus issue that borders on flamebait (we've had enough wars in
the 2.5 years this project has been really active).
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED

Comment 6

14 years ago
> ... There is no point to tracking WONTFIX bugs ...
> ... you're looking to add fuel to a fire ... 
> ... for seamonkey users to bitch in?  ... That's not useful ... 
> ... a bogus issue that borders on flamebait ... 

Mike, how can you talk to people in such an abusive tone? That's completely
inappropriate (w.r.t this:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html

specifically). Is Proganthous, or am I, "bitching" users who post "flamebait"?
Do you believe the fact that a bug gets marked INVALID is proof of a fault in
the reporter's character? For now it seems you're the one fanning flames.

Anyway, I tried using FF+TB on my work machine (a Pentium III 600 MHz), and the
main thing that bothered me was the large combined memory footprint - there's no
'engine'/toolkit/xulrunner/whatever sharing (can't seem to find the relevant bug).

There's also 

bug 270434 - middle mouse click in TB should open a new tab in FF. I'm not sure
FF supports this, even if TB would try to do it.
Re: middle click in tbird opening a new tab in Firefox, that's pretty much close
to impossible to do using standard system protocol handlers.

Xulrunner is in progress, but it'll take time to mature, and there's a bunch of
bugs related to that.

As for what I said, it was at least in part a question, which selective quoting
makes look worse.  Providing a bug for seamonkey users to add their personal
complaints about firefox is not appropriate for Bugzilla.  The way the bug was
filed was an open invition to collect a list of things that annoy seamonkey
users about Firefox.  Given the history of such issues, it isn't unreasonable to
expect that such a bug would invite flaming/advocacy comments.  Its happened
before, dozens or hundreds of times.  This isn't a discussion forum, this is a
task management system.  The bugs that are still open on that list aren't
particular to Seamonkey users, so this is simply a matter of harvesting
opinions, again not appropriate for Bugzilla.

If you really want to argue Bugzilla etiquette, feel free to email me/catch me
on IRC.

Updated

14 years ago
Depends on: 270434

Comment 8

14 years ago
I added the bug Eyal Rozenberg wrote to the bugs this depends on. (Sorry I
didn't write it previously.)
(Reporter)

Comment 9

14 years ago
Adding Bug 258285 ("Find Toolbar sometimes pops up when entering arbitrary
characters in form input fields, FAYT (find as you type) activated")

I'm also changing the summary to make this a private meta bug, nothing more. If
someone knows a better way to track a bunch of bugs in b.m.o (which all have a
common issue) - other than to use b.m.o itself, please let me know.

You might also want to remove yourself from the CC list.

Prog.
Depends on: 17798, 258285
No longer depends on: 177498
Summary: Bugs that annoy Suite users switching to Firefox (Seamonkey parity) → Prog's tracking bug: Bugs that annoy Suite users switching to Firefox
Whiteboard: parity-seamonkey

Comment 10

14 years ago
(In reply to comment #9)
> I'm also changing the summary to make this a private meta bug, nothing more. If
> someone knows a better way to track a bunch of bugs in b.m.o (which all have a
> common issue) - other than to use b.m.o itself, please let me know.

What about the votes list?
(Reporter)

Comment 11

14 years ago
(In reply to Rotem Liss, comment #10)
> What about the votes list?

With or without the votes, it doesn't really matter. For me, this bug is just
the best way keep track of bugs that prevent me from switching to Firefox or
annoy me when trying to do so. It probably has no other value, so feel free to
move on.

Prog.
Bugzilla doesn't exist for individuals to track bugs of personal interest to
them.  Removing yourself from the cc list of this bug doesn't preclude getting
useless bugmail on the bugs you're adding to this list.

Please stop adding bugs to this list and find another way to track things.  You
can build a query for Only bugs numbered: with a comma-separated list and keep
that updated as a bookmark or a saved query against your account.

Comment 13

14 years ago
And will that query email me when specific bugs in that query are fixed?

Updated

14 years ago
Depends on: 233746
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