284494 - The layout of components of slides of this PowerPoint presentation is incorrect

Status: VERIFIED DUPLICATE of bug 102131

(Firefox :: General, defect)

Description

[John Kitchen]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0

Due to misalignment of graphic elements in this HTML veriosn of a PowerPoint
slide show, the content meaning is lost.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. open the URL http://www.opalescencephoto.com/ppt0ne.htm in both FireFox and
Internet Explorer.
2. Click on slide 7 "The Capture Grid" in both browsers
3. Compare the results - the Internet Explorer version is correct
Actual Results:  
The lighthouse photo is offset down and to the right, the white grid is offset
even further, and the PowerPoint navigation controls are invisible in Firefox. 
Firefox has added scroll controls which should not be needed.

Expected Results:  
The lighthouse photo should be clearly visible, the white grid should overlay
the photo, and the PowerPoint navigation controls should be visible. There
should be no scroll controls.

Slide 8 does the same thing.  The slide becomes meaningless due to the
misalignment of graphic components.

I am a content expert in the author's subject and have experience using
PowerPoint to create HTML presentations

Comment 1

[Peter van der Woude [:Peter6]]

Microsoft Web software is per definition designed NOT to work well on anything
but IE.

Comment 2

[John Kitchen]

(In reply to comment #1)
> Microsoft Web software is per definition designed NOT to work well on anything
> but IE.
> 

I'm assuming that you are not giving up that easily. If you are, let me know and
I'll remove FireFox and Thunderbird and go back to the stability of IE and
Outlook. There is a lot of web content created by Microsoft software, and I
can't ignore it.  And I want FireFox and Thunderbird to succeed.

Please try this experiment. It will take no more than 5 minutes.

Make a 2 slide PowerPoint presentation with the first slide containing one
graphic element.  I used an ellipse. Add a title on the slide. "Save as Web
Page...".

Open in FireFox and IE. Compare the results.

Comment 3

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

Please attach a minimized testcase where Mozilla/Firefox doesn't follow the
W3C.org Rules.

Poipoint is to be known to produce invalid HTML.

Comment 4

[John Kitchen]

Attachment: A zip file containing a PPT file and an HTML generated from it with supporting files

Try opening the HTML file under IE and FireFox. The probelm will be quickly
evident.

Comment 5

[John Kitchen]

(In reply to comment #3)
> Please attach a minimized testcase where Mozilla/Firefox doesn't follow the
> W3C.org Rules.
> 
> Poipoint is to be known to produce invalid HTML.
> 

By the way, I may be the one person on this planet who hasn't read the "W3C.org
rules" (I am being facetious) so I can not say whether the attachment I provided
follows such rules.

I would STRONGLY suggest you put yourselves in the shoes of the typical person
who uses a browser.  We don't care about the arcane excuses you have for things
not working.  We just want things that work.  Right now, here is my perception.
 IE works in most cases. FireFox doesn't. There is a compatibility issue you
need to fix.  I'm sorry that you feel the Microsoft is not playing how you'd
like them to play.  Get over it.

If you want to play in the real world where people can actually spell PowerPoint
correctly, and not just appeal to people who read the W3C.org rules in bed at
night, you will stop blaming Microsoft for your woes.

I REALLY wish for the success of this project, we need a viable alternative, but
we won't get there with this attitude.

Thanks for listening.

Best regards

John

Comment 6

[Kevin Brosnan]

S5: A Simple Standards-Based Slide Show System
http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 102131 ***

Comment 7

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

You are using a third party tool that generates wrong html code and you are now
blaming us to fix that ?
Come on, you can blame Microsoft but not us.

FYI: bug 102131 is in the component Tech Evangelism and that means that there is
no bug in Mozilla and nothing will be fixed. The author (in this case Microsoft)
should fix their software.

And for the W3C: Micosoft, Netscape, Opera people and a few others are the
members of the W3C who create the HTMl rules.

verified dupe

Comment 8

[John Kitchen]

(In reply to comment #7)
> You are using a third party tool that generates wrong html code and you are
now blaming us to fix that ?
> Come on, you can blame Microsoft but not us.
<snip>

The problem is not MY use of Microsoft PowerPoint and other Office products.
It's several million other people out there who use it to put content on the
web, some of which, I, and several million other people want to view.

Here are my choices

1. I can assume that since Mozilla thinks that Microsoft ought to change their
software, that Microsoft will get right onto this to help Firefox take market
share from Internet Explorer.  Several million people will also rapidly update
their existing web content with the new HTML generated by Microsoft's updated
Office products.  I will very soon be a happy Firefox user!  Yeah, RIGHT!

2. Or I can invest the time and effort of converting back to using Internet
Explorer. 

Somehow, I think option 2 will be quicker.

Of course, a third option would be to hope that Mozilla might get off its high
horse and decide to support very commonly used, if non-W3C.org-rules-compliant,
code created by the evil ones.  That would be good for Mozilla customers, but
offensive to the purity of Mozilla code.  I guess THAT'S not going to happen!

Thanks for your time.  I'm now going to look for a way to convert back from
Thunderbird to Outlook dammit, before I run up against a problem like this with
Thunderbird.  This is MOST disappointing, just when I thought I'd found viable
alternatives.

Please let me know if you guys change your policy. Until then, au revoir.

John