286238 - Our website pages displayed incorrectly compared to MS Internet Explorer

Status: VERIFIED INVALID

(Firefox :: General, defect)

Description

[Henri Bik]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; nl-NL; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050226 Firefox/1.0.1
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; nl-NL; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050226 Firefox/1.0.1

Although not being a programmer I keep the website of my wife updated by editing
the html. Recently my friends urge me to switch from IE to Firefox, which I am
doing. Now I found that our website is not correctly displayed.

In the page at: http://henri.bik.free.fr/ the Title Welcome on top is blinking,
which it should not do. the same goes for
http://henri.bik.free.fr/Cattery%20Galitsija.htm 
http://henri.bik.free.fr/nederlands.htm , http://henri.bik.free.fr/engels.htm ,
http://henri.bik.free.fr/frans.htm and http://henri.bik.free.fr/spaans.htm

In all other pages the title is shown too far to the left.

page: http://henri.bik.free.fr/De%20Poezen.htm is mixed up, apparently resizing
the pictures does not work properly, the same goes for
http://henri.bik.free.fr/kleokit22dec04b.htm

I have read some of your information on possible causes of rendering pages
different from MS IE. Allthough not a programmer I grasp that poking around in
the html code , which was originally made by somebody else, in a trial end error
way I have probably messed up the standards. Apparently firefox is more strict
than MS IE.
However as firefox is getting more and more popular , it is important for us to
adhere to the standards, so as to be properly displayed to firefox users.

I wonder if you can help me, if necessary I can send you the html pages.

Kind regards   from the Bik family

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. load the indicated pages with MS IE to see how they were intended to display
2. load the indicated pages with Firefox to see the deviations
3.

Actual Results:  
you will see the mentioned deviations in the displayed pages

Expected Results:  
Hard to say, as I think that the mistakes are in our pages, maybe Firefox could
be more tolerant as MS IE is ?

Comment 1

[u63580]

I'm almost certain this is flaws in your HTML.  For example, the "Welcome"
should blink - you have <blink> ... </blink> in the source!  And I think the
"Welcome" is not centred because you have a load of "&nbsp;" characters before it.

I notice you've used FrontPage to generate the pages.  This does have a bit of a
reputation for producing HTML which isn't really in line with the standards. 
FireFox does its best to display everything "properly" (in line with the
standards).  Unfortunately, just because something looks a particular way in IE,
that doesn't mean it is being displayed correctly.

I think this is likely to be marked INVALID.

Comment 2

[Ben Fowler]

You probably need to check the FAQ sheet and other troubleshooting resources
for Firefox.

The text 'Welcome' appears to be marked up as 

<blink><strong>Welcome</strong></blink>

(BTW, that is not the Title element, which contains the text 'Homepage').

This report is probably INVALID (by design), though there is probably an option
to allow you to modify the rendering of any <blink> tag.

Ideally, there should be one bug per report, and a reduced test case.

Comment 3

[Elmar Ludwig]

Bugzilla is not the right place to ask for help in fixing your HTML pages.

-> INVALID

Comment 4

[Henri Bik]

Thank you gentlemen for your comments, they made me think and I have been able 
to figure out some solutions.
Yes Joseph Wright and Ben Fowler, the blink statement was the wrongdoer and I 
took it out. Yes apparently the maker of these pages used MS Frontpage and I 
changed things on a trial and error basis, without any real knowledge of html.

Yes Elmar Ludwig, you are right this is not the place to help me fix my pages, 
however your comments did guide me into the thinking that helped me fix the 
worst problems.

However, it does bring to light for me a deeper underlying problem, the 
difference in interpreting code between MS IE and Firefox. So far it was much 
easier to update my pages, as generally my htm pages would act the same on my 
cpu as they would act on the net seen by MS IE. That is probably due to MS IE 
also being used on my cpu to show local htm pages.

Taking the mentioned bugs out of our pages took me a solid 6 hours todays as I 
had to test them on the net with both Firefox and MS IE. Still the result is 
far from perfect, due to an apparent different interpretation of margin 
statements by Firefox end MS IE.

So all in all I am very happy with Firefox in this respect.

But maybe one of you gentle specialist can advice me which page builder I 
should use to stay in line with the official standards, as I am thinking of 
rebuilding our site completely to overcome some other limitations of e design.
In particular MS Frontpage seems to use  a lot of html for simple things and I 
want our site to be very fast.

Thanks in advance for being willing to communicate with an amateur.
Kind regards from Henri Bik.., situated in lovely Languedoc in the South of 
France where spring just broke loose..