User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050225 Firefox/1.0.1 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050225 Firefox/1.0.1 If I select a thread to watch or label a message as important, when I come back to Thunderbird some time later (presumably after the message has expired off the server, days or months later), then the message body (that was once on my PC) now shows (for example): Error! newsgroup server responded:No Such Article In Group Perhaps the article has expired <MPG.firstname.lastname@example.org> (345461) Click here to remove all expired articles Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: Watch a thread or label a message or both. Then wait for a few days or months Actual Results: Message body is gone. Expected Results: I expect that Thunderbird not destroy data that it has (at my behest) placed on my PC without so much as a "by your leave". Especially data (a newsgroup article) that has clearly and explicitly been marked as significant (important, to do, watched, etc.) to the user). This is something that also happens on Outlook Express. But I confess that I must have a real conceptual stumbling block here because I cannot fathom what program designer would EVER allow something as important as documents, especially those a user has marked as significant to be (especially willfully) destroyed. Or is there some setting I'm missing? I want to use a newsreader as a glorified filing cabinet. Ultimately, it will be possible to conveniently set a set of keywords on a given message/thread and automatically have it filed/kept as a reference with those associated keywords. But until this convenient labelling technology is available, I expect that the only messages to be removed are those that I am ignoring (ie. Ignore Thread) or (I) have otherwise expired. To be explicit, the way I use my newsreader is to scan a few groups that are relevant to my work. Every once in a while (say once a day on average) I will run into an article I consider well written and worth SAVING either for the example or explanation it provides or the references it has. These are articles I DO go back to. SAVING for me means marking the thread as one to watch (or possibly labeling the message as important). Messages not marked thus, I will eventually ignore when it's clear there are no interesting follow-ups. I can understand that this may cause a newsreader to be slower if it has to keep track of massive amounts of dated, thread information. But that's what computers are for...let 'me compute. And if I've managed to bog down my system so much that it becomes noticable for me, let ME be responsible for putting it right. To sum up: 1) The behaviour that I expect of Thunderbird, is that when a message/thread has been designated as interesting to me in some way (labeled or thread marked as Watch), then if there is a disk copy, that should be used (alternately, if there is no server copy, then the disk copy should be used). 2) If there is some technical reason that I just don't get for why this can't be done, then I propose an alternative: when a message is being expired (because it is no longer on the server) but it has been designated as significant in some way, then have a special folder where expired messages/threads go where the bodies are retained on the user's PC. The important thing is to have a way that requires a minimal amount of work from me (and fiddling with multiple windows, dialog or otherwise, is too much work) in order to get messages in a reasonable form to their end destination. Csaba Gabor from Vienna Tools / Account Settings / Offline & Disk Space has only Keep: All messages selected. I have a pretty vanilla setup of Thunderbird. Sorry, if this has already been filed, but I didn't find it when searching.
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Csaba: does this happen even with messages have downloaded for offline use? If so, it's bad. Otherwise, given the nature of NG's, I guess it might be considered consistent behaviour, as such messages are seen as a server side thing, much like web pages, until downloaded for offline use. Perhaps you want a feature that automatically downloads messages you mark as watched/labelled/flagged for offline use (and safekeeping)? That in turn is still a bit flawed ATM, but better than just losing the messages... Perhaps what you want can be reached by tweaking existing settings options, try the Thunderbird newsgroup snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.thunderbird.
Thanks for your comments Gudmund, I do not know the answer to your first question yet - must be tested. However, it was useful because I did a test to determine that Thunderbird does not cache (while online) the messages that you view in a useful way. That is to say, if you now go offline, that same message will not be there for you to view. In otherwords, online messages are downloaded (else you wouldn't see them at all), but not (usably) saved. In light of this, I think your suggestion is excellent: have a preference setting to download and store any marked/labelled/(possibly even read)/except ignored messages. Furthermore, messages marked ignore could be deleted from the user's disk. I could not find the newsgroup that you were talking about, though I tried plunking in that reference in different ways. The secnews.netscape.com server shows me the same groups as the news.mozilla.org server. But neither shows a netscape.mozilla group to me. I did however find an old query of mine shown below. Is that the group you were talking about? http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=222583&highlight=csaba&sid=55fa248622a5457d50333648b192b298 Csaba Gabor from Vienna
if you pick the newsgroup for offline use, either with the "select folders for offline use" button, available in the offline & disk space line in account settings, or from file | offline | download and sync, or through the newsgroup folder's property dialog, then we will store messages you read for offline use.
using tin, my former news reader, I could save messages off to a local folder whose name was the newsgroup. suite bug is Bug 184007. and a number of related bugs: Bug 79988 (which should probably read "store", not cache) Bug 105146 Bug 213729 Bug 155828 Csaba, is one of the above bugs a good match for your needs? And if not, can you refine your summary to better match what you want?
This is still an issue as of today, with Thunderbird 45.5.1 on Ubuntu 16.10. It also doesn't look like a duplicate of the mentioned bug, to me. Anyway, other newsgroup readers (pan) work just fine.