Closed Bug 294728 Opened 20 years ago Closed 19 years ago

We need a bash.org clone for irc.mozilla.org quotes

Categories

(Websites :: Other, enhancement)

Product:
Websites
Component:
Other
Type:
enhancement
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
RESOLVED FIXED

People

(Reporter: tom, Unassigned)

References

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Details

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050516 Firefox/1.0+
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050516 Firefox/1.0+

We have been discussing the idea of bash.org not being so awesome, and a few
people liked the idea of setting up a quotes.mozilla.org.  There is software to
do this, the Rash Quote Management System (RQMS) available on SourceForge.net,
so it'd be nice if we could have our own quote system.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Chat on IRC
2. See something funny
3. Submit it to Bash.org
4. Wait a month
5. Notice it's rejected
Actual Results:  
Funny quote rejected

Expected Results:  
Accepted funny Mozilla "inside" joke
While perhaps not what most people would think as one of the more important
things that need to be done, I think that adding a QDB to the mozilla site for
relation to MozNET (irc.mozilla.org) would be very helpful to everyone who
frequents MozNET.  Being able to record all the funny and interesting things
that people on MozNET say would be invaluable to those who are MozNET junkies. 
I know I would use this service like crazy, and I wouldn't even mind being a mod
on it. :D
Hendikins has been nice enough to put up a RQMS install for us that can be used
as a testbed as well as have the database ready to transfer over if this bug
gets 'fixed'.  It is located at:  http://www.hendikins.id.au/qdb/  I am going to
work on making a new skin/template for it that will go with the whole Mozilla
theme as soon as I get a chance.
ct^ and hao2lian from #bs have both made themes to replace the default on the
QDB Hendikins is currently hosting.  The one that ct^ made is located at: 
http://tim.f2o.org/taters/  and the one hao2lian made is at:
http://hao2lian.f2o.org/poisonivy/

Since hao2lian took down that portion of his site (I think he still has a copy),
what his theme looks like is available in a screenshot (with some editing by
nilson):
http://img187.echo.cx/img187/5883/checkit9yw.png

CCing nilson.
I'm removing my theme from consideration. I'd expect that if we were to get a 
subdomain, we'd get Silverorange and the Mozilla.org guys to make us a theme or 
we'd port their theme to this.
(In reply to comment #4)
> I'm removing my theme from consideration. I'd expect that if we were to get a 
> subdomain, we'd get Silverorange and the Mozilla.org guys to make us a theme or 
> we'd port their theme to this.

Not to push my work or anything, but I don't think that's a good idea. The
Mozilla.org theme may be a lot better than what I've come up with, but even if
we get the subdomain, it still won't be a Mozilla.org web site. Users won't go
there for information about Firefox or whatever, like with Mozilla Update. If
the official designers are willing to make a theme that doesn't scream "property
of the Mozilla Foundation", that'd be great--though I do feel my theme isn't bad
either.
As it stands right now, being realistic, we have almost no chance of getting
http://quotes.mozilla.org for this little shindig, so I hope you haven't deleted
your theme hao2lian.  I am thinking that MoFo probably won't want to do the
subdomain sheerly for PR purposes.  Having it be quotes.mozilla.org (even if it
is disclaimed as not having any reflection on the official views of the
Foundation) is asking for disaster when some reporter prick puts things found on
the site into the news.  So, the likelihood of having SilverOrange and Mozilla
deal with theming the site, or us even getting the subdomain is slim to none. 
Don't throw away any good ideas.
As I suggested earlier, we might even be better off with a snazzy domain name
like mash.cx (Mozilla + Bash/Rash, also the name of my theme): no direct
affiliation with MoFo, plus it's sort of catchy: "I'm adding that to Mash",
"Consider yourself Mashed", etc. Sounds better than "QMO". Anyway, it's just an
example.
(In reply to comment #7)
> As I suggested earlier, we might even be better off with a snazzy domain name
> like mash.cx (Mozilla + Bash/Rash, also the name of my theme): no direct
> affiliation with MoFo, plus it's sort of catchy: "I'm adding that to Mash",
> "Consider yourself Mashed", etc. Sounds better than "QMO". Anyway, it's just an
> example.

That is true, but I don't think we would get a .cx.  Actually, Mash sounds
pretty cool, but I still think waiting until we see the result on this isn't a
bad idea.  


For what it's worth, I think you're all loony.
As far as trying to get official blessing goes, I agree
I didn't mean to imply MoFo had to pay for the domain--though if they're willing
to do that, that's fine by me. :P
Incidentally, I'm removing my theme demo in a moment, since Hendikins installed
it on the official site (yay!).
Yeah, I suggested that earlier on IRC, or maybe ircquotes.mozilla.org. But those
are just so darn long.
(In reply to comment #12)
> if anything it should be off of
> http://irc.mozilla.org/
> 
> perhaps:
> http://irc.mozilla.org/quotes

Not a bad idea, if I do say so myself, I will bug Dave Miller (justdave) about
it on IRC.

Comment 6 pretty well sums up my current reservations on the issue.
Note that I do think this is a pretty cool idea, I'm just not sure mozilla.org
is an appropriate place for it.
(In reply to comment #16)
> Note that I do think this is a pretty cool idea, I'm just not sure mozilla.org
> is an appropriate place for it.

What did you think about the idea that Robert had in comment #12?  Could we
maybe do an http://irc.mozilla.org/quotes?  I would think that would be much
more likely to get the 'okay' from MoFo than quotes.mozilla.org would, just on
the virtue of it not only be a bit more inconspicuous (I didn't even know
irc.mozilla.org had a website until the other day) and would also easily
differentiate it from the views of the foundation and simply funny quotes from
MozNET.  Might be the best of both worlds, although I wouldn't mind seeing
mash.org or something like that.

And providing we ever get a mozilla.org URL, would that be a redirect or would
the QDB be hosted there too? What's in the location bar probably matters too.
Incidentally, I'm still more in favor of a separate domain name, if possible.
(In reply to comment #18)
> And providing we ever get a mozilla.org URL, would that be a redirect or would
> the QDB be hosted there too? What's in the location bar probably matters too.
> Incidentally, I'm still more in favor of a separate domain name, if possible.

Is there any specific concerns you have that make you want to go with a seperate
domain?  I mean, I see how since this /is/ sort of a more community-driven thing
it might be better on a completely non-official (not even a remote association)
level.  But I figured it would be easier (as in using it) if it were related in
an easy manner.  Something like quotes.mozilla.org is easy to remember, for
instance.  So is http://irc.mozilla.org/quotes/.  If we can come up with a good
domain name, and register it, by all means, that is not a bad idea either.  I
like the name "Mash", but I see that mash.org and mash.com have both been taken,
and I am antsy about getting some unknown and possibly expensive ccTLD for our
use.  If you will get with me on IRC and talk with me about this, maybe we can
come up with a good domain name that will be both descriptive and easy to remember.
The big problem is anything found with the url of 

*://*.mozilla.org*

is going to be considered by the media to be representitive of Mozilla.org.  

I'm personally thinking it should be offsite, and perhaps linked with an
explicit note that it's unofficial, unsanctioned, etc.  
I'd hate to compromise Mozilla.org and I'm sure we can come up with a snazzy
short domain name that isn't taken. MozillaZine etc. have their own domain name
too, and if anything, they're closer to the Foundation than our quotes. :-) Of
course, a domain'll cost "us", but I'd hate to see moznetqdb.tk or so. Maybe we
should ask the owner of moznet.org for a subdomain, though that could cause even
more confusion. Meh, ideas, anyone?
I like mash.org. Not sure who you'll want to host it but I can on my server if
need be.
(In reply to comment #22)
> I like mash.org. Not sure who you'll want to host it but I can on my server if
> need be.

Unfortunately, just like moznet.org, mash.org is taken.  It seems the
cybersquatters are out in force calculating my every thought trying to annoy me.
 Or maybe they just indiscriminately registered so many domains that nobody can
find anything worthwhile (that is probably closer to the truth).  So, we are
back to square one.  Any other ideas for names/domains?
Assignee: www-mozilla-org → nobody
QA Contact: danielwang → www-mozilla-org
--> Websites :: Other
Component: www.mozilla.org → Other
Product: mozilla.org → Websites
QA Contact: www-mozilla-org → other
Version: other → unspecified
There is http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/. That seems sufficient enough for this purpose. If somebody else agrees, I'll close this bug.
URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rqms/ → http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/
Yes, I think it's sufficient.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 19 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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