Closed Bug 294756 Opened 19 years ago Closed 15 years ago

l10n hg access request for Bengali (bn-BD) for Jamil Ahmed

Categories

(mozilla.org :: Repository Account Requests, task)

Product:
mozilla.org
Component:
Repository Account Requests
Type:
task
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
RESOLVED FIXED

People

(Reporter: omi, Assigned: oremj)

References

Details

(Whiteboard: voucher,ssh-key,form)

Attachments

(1 file, 1 obsolete file)

Public key of Jamil Ahmed.
599 bytes, text/plain
Details 
User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041013 Firefox/0.9.3 (Ubuntu)
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041013 Firefox/0.9.3 (Ubuntu)

We have finished translating Mozilla Firefox 1.0.x and now we want to commit
that to CVS for official release. You can find the latest update from
http://firefox.ekushey.org

PS: I don't have any CVS SSH public Key

Reproducible: Always
Blocks: 284578
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Summary: Bengali l10n CVS Account Request → l10n CVS access request for Bengali (bn-BD) for Omi Azad <omi@ekushey.org>
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
CVS Form received.  I think you will still need a SSH key to get access.
> I think you will still need a SSH key to get access.

To be frank with you, I don't know what is a SSH key. Can you give me any URL,
from where I can learn more on that?
> Can you give me any URL, from where I can learn more on that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh 
http://www.mozilla.org/cvs-ssh-faq.html#s2

Thank you. I just made my keys and send my public key to cvs-admin@mozilla.org

Waiting for the next step.
please attach them to this bug, too.
Attached file NOT USE. Omi Azad's public key. (obsolete) — 
Attached...
I need someone to vouch, and then we can move forward with activating this account.
Whiteboard: voucher
Whiteboard: voucher → voucher-needed, pending resolution of registration
Who can vouch? btw, should I have to manage someone to vouch? give me some
details on this vouch issue.
Omi: A voucher should be someone who already has CVS write access.  Either Axel
or bsmedberg should also be able to vouch, they are cc'd on this bug.
QA Contact: justdave → justdave
No activity in quite some time - what is the status?
(In reply to comment #10)
> No activity in quite some time - what is the status?
> 

Who can tell why no activity from a long time!!! Still I don't know what Mozilla need from us.
(In reply to comment #10)
> No activity in quite some time - what is the status?
> 

Who can tell why no activity from a long time!!! Still I don't know what Mozilla need from us.
Please, wait till next week, Axel is out of the town for a conference. He'll be reminded by emails from this comments!
Why we should depend on him so much?

We are contributors and we are working for the l10n by our wills. No one is paying us or we will not get any benifit by it. So why all these formalities?

Only God knows!!!
Actually, you should know what to do, I guess.

I haven't completely read bug 28578, but bug 28578 comment 25 says that we need
the source tree for your localization attached to the bug. Comment 23 
explicitly says that I don't have one.
For bn-BD, the bug to attach it to is this bug, and it should be a localization 
for 1.5.0.x.
Once you do that, please request approval-l10n (set the flag on the attachement
to '?').
We released bn-BD XPI, you can see our work from http://firefox.ekushey.org

Omi
Alias: bn-BD
Sorry for not mentionation the version. We released bn-BD XPI for FireFox 1.5.0.2 Check it from http://firefox.ekushey.org if you want to. :)
*** Bug 335584 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
We did Firefox's Bangla interface, which is available from: http://omi.net.bd/?p=154
Gervase,
It's good to see that you replied related topic on Bug 284578. It's really sad when someone wants to work based on altruism, but other people do not care about this. We are requesting for this stuff since 2004 (you can find my name http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/mlp_status.html ) but so far no one seems interested. I want to localize all the Mozilla products starting with Firefox and Thunderbird. Ya I'm interested still.
Omi: it's a bit confusing if you put replies to comments in different bugs :-)

Applying for CVS access is not the first stage in getting more closely involved. You need to read this wiki page:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Starting_a_localization

Create yourself a wiki page for your localisation, which registers you as the team for that language. Then, follow the instructions on the wiki to produce a language pack you can distribute through addons.mozilla.org. Once you have reached that stage, we can consider your pack for official status - although I should warn you that this is a separate process with its own complexities. This is the stage where CVS access comes in. Still, the community will still be able to get your pack from addons.mozilla.org in the meantime.

If you have read carefully and find the documentation isn't good enough in any way, please let us know and we will improve it.

Gerv
Gerv. I'm knocking you since 2004 may be. Every time a new guy comes and makes something new. Now you are talking about this Wiki thing, please read above, did anyone mentions anything about that Wiki thing?

I'm just tired of your RULES!
Omi: we apologise if you find the changes in procedure frustrating. Believe me, we don't think that things have been ideal over the past couple of years. But we are working to make them better.

We have over 30 official translations and a load more in the pipeline. You must understand that this is an incredible amount of work to manage, and the only way we can do it is by writing documentation and leaving people to get on with it.

We would love it if you would consent to make a Bengali translation of Firefox 2 and put it up on addons.mozilla.org, so that the worldwide Bengali community can get easy access to it. We have even written instructions on how to do it (although presumably if you have localised Firefox before, you don't need telling how to do that part). So please have a look at them :-)
http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Starting_a_localization

Gerv

Gerv,
How long you will be here? Last time Axel went out of town and didn't come back in 16 months. Where you will go after having this conversation with me?

--
We have over 30 official translations and a load more in the pipeline. You must
understand that this is an incredible amount of work to manage, and the only
way we can do it is by writing documentation and leaving people to get on with
it.
--

Hmm, is Mozilla the only OSS project in this planet were volunteer contributes for l10n? My team Ankur is doing great with OpenOffice http://bn.openoffice.org and from my bad experience I must say that they are not like you. They never apologize because there is no chance of that.

--
We would love it if you would consent to make a Bengali translation of Firefox
2 and put it up on addons.mozilla.org, so that the worldwide Bengali community
can get easy access to it.
--

I lost my interest on Mozilla core team so far. Will see if I can manage some time. But right now I don't have time to read your links. Was doing the same since last 3 years. Let me know once you are FULL and FINAL.
(In reply to comment #24)
> How long you will be here? Last time Axel went out of town and didn't come 
> back in 16 months. Where you will go after having this conversation with me?

Omid: I hope that you don't need any more information than what's on the wiki page. But if you do, you can email me. I can't promise an instantaneous response, but I will do my best to reply reasonably quickly.

> Hmm, is Mozilla the only OSS project in this planet were volunteer contributes
> for l10n? My team Ankur is doing great with OpenOffice http://bn.openoffice.org
> and from my bad experience I must say that they are not like you. They never
> apologize because there is no chance of that.

What do you want me to do? I've apologised once already. If you don't want to localise Firefox into Bengali, that's your choice - let us know, and we will look for another team. But we'd be very happy if you did it.

> I lost my interest on Mozilla core team so far. Will see if I can manage some
> time. But right now I don't have time to read your links. Was doing the same
> since last 3 years. Let me know once you are FULL and FINAL.

Full and final what? We are always trying to improve our documentation and make life easier for our localisers. But other teams are working on their translations now.

Gerv

(In reply to comment #25)

Gerv,
I don't know who you are and I don't know how you get a @mozilla.org address. but there is 90% chance that you are just making fun with me, like Marcia Knous, Axel Hecht and some others I cannot remember their names after 4 years (who also had @mozilla.org address).

Bangla may be a poor language. But please stop playing with our sentiment. every time you/guys like you come and do bull sh*t with us and get lost. So please do not do that. Not only for Bangla, for any language.

Mozilla did that before and doing that once again. With this mentality, you cannot have volunteers, ya paid people will work for you. I don't think 100% people are contributing for free. You do have paid people. Any ways, that was not the point.

FULL and FINAL means when I started 4/5 years back the rules ware something else (I think you can read some history and date and search for my posts in this place regarding l10n), again the rules have changed, and who knows what is happening now.

I think Mozilla and me can sign some papers so that there would be someone who will be responsible for something. Not like knock knock and run away, which happened in last 5 years with me.
Omi: given that you seem unwilling to accept my assurances that I am trying to help, I don't really see where we can go from here. Either you can work with us in good faith, or we can look for another translator for Bangla.

Of course the rules were something else 5 years ago. It would be extremely unusual for a project to have exactly the same rules about something over such a long period, while moving from a few million to a few hundred million users, and from a handful of localisations to over 30.

You are asking for commitments from us. But you are a volunteer. You can walk away at any time. Would these "papers" you talk about also bind you to producing a translation of a specified quality inside a specified time? Say 1 month?

Gerv

Gerv: How can I be so sure you are not bull sh*tting with me? Look at all the posts above. Everyone was willing hard to help me and God just took them away from  the planet may be. LOL

If you pay me, I can deliver high quality translation in of whole FireFox in 7 days. You want to do that? Bangla speaking people knows my quality, I (actually my team) translated whole Google, They are doing the same for OpenOffice.
> How can I be so sure you are not bull sh*tting with me?

That's the question I'm asking you. You seem unwilling to take my word for it, but I don't know what else I can give you.

> If you pay me, I can deliver high quality translation in of whole FireFox in 7
> days.

All of our other translators are not paid for their translation work; they do a high-quality job as a service to their particular language communities. I would hope you would want to do the same. But if not, then we will find someone else - or there will be no Firefox in Bangla, which would be a shame.

Gerv

(In reply to comment #29)
> 
> That's the question I'm asking you. You seem unwilling to take my word for it,
> but I don't know what else I can give you.
> 

Give me one good reason I must take your word. I took the above words and wested my valuable time.

> - or there will be no Firefox in Bangla, which would be a shame.

You are saying this after 5 years? I come I'll be so sure you won't run away like the above peoples? How come I'll be so sure we are not wasting our time and nothing will happen like the above people after that?

I think I can do another consideration, ask all the people who bull shi*ed with me in last 5 years to send me an apology comment individually in this thread. I think you can do that, they all had @mozilla.org ID.
Omi: Rereading this bug, I don't see anything that anyone has to apologise for. Yes, no-one vouched for your CVS access request, but did you chase up either of the (very busy) people named in comment #9 to ask them to do it? There's no record of that here.

Then, in comment #15, Axel told you what you had to do next - attach the source tree of your localisation to this bug, and set a flag. Did you do it? Doesn't look like it.

It's all very well for you to complain that the procedure keeps changing, but given that you didn't do any of the previous things, I can't see why this is such an imposition.

You are saying that you want to do the localisation into Bangla. Why should I take *your* word for it, given that you haven't done what you've been asked to in the past? 

Alternatively, we could stop presupposing bad faith on the part of each other, and work together towards a Bangla localisation for Firefox. It's your choice. 

Gerv

Gerv
Sorry for the late response. I had to do some investigation with my team as my memory is bad. :)

So far I can remember that I chatted with Axel on IRC couple of months back, which didn't help and I also cannot remember what he suggested. Whatever we chatted about was not helpful.

I don't have in my brain what a source tree is. That is also lost may be.
Omi: the best thing for you to do is to follow the instructions in comment #21, and email me or Axel or ask in the newsgroup if the web page doesn't answer your questions.

Gerv
Gerv: I will try to lead this issue. Will create the L10n:Teams:bn-BD wiki page and submit new bug with registration requests. Thanks!
(In reply to comment #34)
> Gerv: I will try to lead this issue. Will create the L10n:Teams:bn-BD wiki page
> and submit new bug with registration requests. Thanks!
> 

So finally you came after the long silent. Let's see what they do now.
QA Contact: justdave → cvs-acct-req
Due to a recent overhaul of the committer's agreement, we are requiring new forms be sent for accounts that have yet to be created, even if you have already filled out and submitted the old CVS Contributor Form. Please download the form at http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/committer/committers-agreement.pdf and submit it according to the directions specified at http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/notification/. We apologize for this necessary inconvenience. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks!
Reed Loden: We have submitted a new issue on this issue. Please check and put your comments there:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400537

Btw, I think we can close this issue.

Jamil, based on what do you suggest us to close this bug?
Based on comment #34, I have issued #400537. Which one should we stick with? Please suggest.
Erica: Did you have a form for Omi in your files?
I have not received a Committer's Agreement for Omi.
Erica: I have faxed my Committer's Agreement. Please confirm the receipt of the fax.
Hello Guys,
Hope you know already that since last 3/4 years me and my team ware struggling to get this thing working. Mozilla is a big team, so rules get changed everyday. They suggest me to do this today, do that that day, bla bla bla. So I was very unhappy with the situation, in fact I was very disappointed with all your rules and stuffs and no progress.

My point is, I decided to quit struggling with you guys as I understood that you also decided the same and investing no logical time for this.

This is why I asked my mate Jamil to open the bug 400537 and continue this project from there.

So my  suggestion is to accept Jamil Ahmed's "Committer's Agreement" for bn-BD CVS account and let him continue and close this bug.
I have received Jamil's Committer's Agreement.
Changing to summary to reflect the fact that Jamil is requesting access to CVS. This bug needs to stay open - the registration bug and the CVS request bug are separate items. We will close it out when Jamil's access is granted. Waiting on Axel to give his OK and then I can create the account. Thanks.
Summary: l10n CVS access request for Bengali (bn-BD) for Omi Azad <omi@ekushey.org> → l10n CVS access request for Bengali (bn-BD) for Jamil Ahmed
Depends on: 400537
Based on the review in bug 400537, this is ready to go.

Please make sure to send out the ldap password when creating the l10n hg account.
Component: Account Request: CVS → Account Request: Hg
QA Contact: cvs-acct-req → hg-acct-req
Summary: l10n CVS access request for Bengali (bn-BD) for Jamil Ahmed → l10n hg access request for Bengali (bn-BD) for Jamil Ahmed
Whiteboard: voucher-needed, pending resolution of registration → voucher,ssh-key,form
Over to IT for account creation.
Assignee: marcia → server-ops
Assignee: server-ops → oremj
Comment on attachment 186093 [details]
NOT USE. Omi Azad's public key.

Just realizing that this is Omi's key and not Jamil's. He's going to attach that per discussion on irc.
Attachment #186093 - Attachment description: Omi Azad's public key. → NOT USE. Omi Azad's public key.
Attachment #186093 - Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #186093 - Attachment mime type: application/octet-stream → text/plain

    
  

        Attachment #368053 -
        Attachment mime type: application/octet-stream → text/plain

    
    

    
  
Account for itsjamil@gmail.com created.
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: 15 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED

    
    

    
  
I have just pushed Thunderbird's bn-BD source to hg. Seems working fine. Thanks! :)

    
  
Component: Account Request: Hg → Repository Account Requests
QA Contact: hg-acct-req → repo-acct-req

    
    

    
  
bug alias confuses my quicksearch, I hope you don't mind me removing it.
Alias: bn-BD

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