308072 - [ui polish] Group all developer-related menu options in a submenu

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Firefox :: Menus, defect)

Description

[Ivan Ičin]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b4) Gecko/20050909 (No IDN) Firefox/1.4
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b4) Gecko/20050909 (No IDN) Firefox/1.4

That should relate to Page Source, Javascript Console and DOM Inspector. They
should be grouped in Tools submenu "Web Developer"

Reproducible: Always

Comment 1

[Phil Ringnalda (:philor)]

*** Bug 355570 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 2

[Gordon P. Hemsley [:GPHemsley]]

I'm not sure this bug is still relevant today. The DOM Inspector has been removed, so all that is left are the Page Source (under View) and Error Console (under Tools). Do you have any more information, as it relates to Firefox 3 and beyond?

I'm marking this as NEW, as this was certainly a valid concern at one point. However, I'm also marking it with the recommendation to resolve as WONTFIX by April 15th, because I doubt there is enough support for this nowadays.

Comment 3

[Henrik Skupin [:whimboo][⌚️UTC+1]]

It's not worth having a second level of sub-menus here for only two items. Alex, is it wontfix?

Comment 4

[Ivan Ičin]

(In reply to comment #2)
> I'm not sure this bug is still relevant today. The DOM Inspector has been
> removed, so all that is left are the Page Source (under View) and Error Console
> (under Tools). Do you have any more information, as it relates to Firefox 3 and
> beyond?
You are right on this, and it is also said with very polite wording, which should be honored.

The thing to consider is that it would be possibly a nice point to land all developer related extensions under one sub-menu, but I am not sure that it is a good enough reason.

Comment 5

[Alex Faaborg [:faaborg] (Firefox UX)]

>It's not worth having a second level of sub-menus here for only two items.
>Alex, is it wontfix?

We should probably consider what we want to do here in the context of some platforms (Vista, Windows 7) potentially having 2 menus by default (page and tools) instead of the standard 7 menus.  In that case we would want to have a developer submenu under tools to reduce the size of the menu.  We'll get this figured out in dev.apps.firefox after the release of shiretoko though, so let's hold off on a wontfix.

Comment 6

[Kohei Yoshino [:kohei]]

* There are some new dev tools: Inspect and Web Console.
* Chrome, Opera, Safari all incorporate dev tools in a single menu.

So Firefox 4 also should do that:

* Developer Tools
** Inspect
** Web Console
** JavaScript Console
** Page Source
** Page Info

Comment 7

[Kohei Yoshino [:kohei]]

On Windows Vista and 7, Firefox button has Developer menu. The same menu is required for other platforms.

Comment 8

[Mike Beltzner [:beltzner, not reading bugmail]]

Alex, I'd like to dupe this off to a bug that indicates if/how we're planning on revising the normal menuBar now that we've got the Firefox Button. Is there a plan there? If the plan is "do nothing", then this definitely doesn't block Firefox 4, and is potentially even WONTFIX (though I imagine we'll want to do something in the fullness of time).

Comment 9

[Johnathan Nightingale [:johnath]]

Yeah - wouldn't block for this.

Comment 10

[Alex Faaborg [:faaborg] (Firefox UX)]

>Is there a plan there? If the plan is "do nothing", then this definitely doesn't
>block Firefox 4

The plan is for developer options to appear directly in the tools menu.

Comment 11

[Kohei Yoshino [:kohei]]

(In reply to comment #10)
> The plan is for developer options to appear directly in the tools menu.

That's annoying from end users' perspective. As I wrote in my comment 6, other browsers have a single dev tools menu. The Firefox Button is available only on Windows Vista and 7. Add-on authors would be able to utilize the dev menu to add their own menu to.

I don't think it's so hard to incorporate those menus. I'll make a patch.

Comment 12

[Kohei Yoshino [:kohei]]

There are more items in the Firefox Button's Developer menu:

* Work Offline (I'm not sure why this is here)
* Character Encoding (Bug 575182)

To help improve user experience and add-on compatibility, the Firefox Button and the classic menubar should have the same Developer menu, I think.

Comment 13

[Alex Limi (:limi) — Firefox UX Team]

I believe this is now the case — if further consistency is needed, specify what's missing. Assigning to Stephen since he's the devtools UX person. :)

Comment 14

[Rob Campbell [:rc] (:robcee)]

is there anything else to do here or can we just close this down?

Comment 15

[Mike Conley (:mconley) (:⚙️)]

I think we can close this down.