31061 - "Stationery" not being used consistently instead of "Template"

Status: VERIFIED WONTFIX

(SeaMonkey :: MailNews: Message Display, defect, P3)

Description

[jglick]

The word "Template" should be replaced with "Stationery"

Folder Pane: Local Folders using "Templates"
Mail Compose Window, File menu, save as... says "Stationery"
3 Pane Mail, File menu, save as... says "Template"

Account Settings, Copies and Folders
Special Folders
Text says: "Keep message stationery in"  
Fly out menu says "Templates on Local folders"

Win build #2000022708

Comment 1

[Phil Peterson]

Reassign to jefft

Comment 2

[jefft]

I don't think we should replace "Templates" with "Stationery". This will create
lots of migration problems. For example, we don't want to replace folder name
from "Templates" to "Stationery" local or imap. Or create a new folder
"Stationery" along with the existing folder.

Comment 3

[jglick]

cc: Sol

Comment 4

[sol]

Jeff - is there an easy way to *not* migrate the Template folder if it is empty? 
It's my understanding that we did not get much use of Templates, so I would 
expect a large percentage of users to have empty Template folders.

Comment 5

[jefft]

It may be easy for the local pop3 accounts but not for imap accounts. Seth 
probably can say more on the pref migration.

Comment 6

[(not reading, please use [e-mail] instead)]

I'm just getting caught up on my bugs / bug email.

sol, if the folder exists, we should migrate it.  (even it is empty).
nothing should "disappear" on migration.

it sounds like the plan is:
for a new account, create a Stationery folder, instead of a Templates folder.
for a migrate account, migrate the Templates folder to a normal folder, and 
create a Stationery folder, and point the prefs to that new folder.

is this correct?

Comment 7

[jefft]

Attachment: A potential fix...

Comment 8

[jefft]

Subject: 
            Re: Request for code review
       Date: 
            Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:33:21 -0800
      From: 
            [e-mail] (Phil Peterson)
        To: 
            Jeff Tsai <[e-mail]>, Scott Putterman 
<[e-mail]>,
            Scott Putterman <[e-mail]>, David Bienvenu 
<[e-mail]>,
            Steve Elmer <[e-mail]>, Seth Spitzer 
<[e-mail]>,
            Kevin Murray <[e-mail]>, Ninoschka Baca 
<[e-mail]>
        CC: 
            Sol Goldfarb <[e-mail]>, Jennifer Glick 
<[e-mail]>
 References: 
            1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11




Option 2 is fine with me. I can see how folder name conflicts could make this a 
bug bonanza.

-- Phil.

Jeff Tsai wrote:

  Option 2 would be my favorite. Our work would be minimum. Creating less 
confusion when users are migrating from 4.x to 6.0. Less
  engineering and QA tasks. Since, we have such a limited resources and tight 
schedule. 

  -- Jeff 

  Sol Goldfarb wrote: 

    While I prefer the name "Stationery", if option 1 proves to involve 
significant effort or debate, I'm in favor of option 2. I do not think this
    is where we should be spending our energy. 

    Sol 

    Jennifer Glick wrote: 

     I just spoke to Sol about this one.  The recommendation is for one of the 
following: 

     1.  The term "Stationery" replaces "Templates".  It is located in the 
"Local Folders" area.  American Greetings will supply some
     defaults.  When a user migrates, the "Templates" folder is not brought over 
if it is empty.  If there is stuff in the Templates folder, the
     folder and contents would be brought over (keep TEmplates name) and 
associated with the specific account it came from.  Benefits: 
     For most 4.x (and previous) users, the Templates folder will be empty.  The 
term Stationery is more common and descriptive. 

     2.  Keep the term "Templates".  It is located in the "Local Folders" area. 
American Greetings will supply some defaults. When a user
     migrates, the "Templates" folder and contents would be brought over and 
associated with the specific account  it came from. 
     Benefits:  Keeps the same consistent wording. 

     I'm open to either suggestion. 

     Thanks, 
     Jen 

     Sol Goldfarb wrote: 

       Not only am I working on the deal - I have the stationery in hand. I've 
asked American Greetings to optimize the graphics to reduce
       the size, but have not heard back yet. In the meantime, I can provide the 
stationery to who ever needs it. 

       Sol 

       Phil Peterson wrote: 

         Not sure if we're shipping stationary, or if so, when. I think Sol was 
working on the deal. Sol? 

         -- Phil. 

         Scott Putterman wrote: 

          This seems similar to Unsent Messages and Outbox.  With that we chose 
to keep both.  I agree that we should do that here. 
          One question though.  Are we shipping default Stationary?  If so, what 
happens to it (or is that just going to be in Local
          Folders/Stationary)? 

          Scott 
            

          Jeff Tsai wrote: 

            Seth Spitzer wrote: 

             I don't like the idea of renaming the folder either. 

             1)  what if a folder named Stationery already exists? 
             2)  to rename a folder, for imap, would require authenticating.  
yuck. 

             I think we need to hash this one out before we take action / check 
in 
             code. 
              

            Completely agreed! :-) 

            -- Jeff 

               
             -Seth 

             Jeff Tsai wrote: 
             > 
             > As far as I can think of, in 4.x we use "Templates" as the 
stationery 
             > folder. Migrating to 6.0 means we need to copy the folder and 
rename 
             > it to "Stationery" in the new world. (User might wonder where is 
             > his/her Templates folder goes. Unless we came up a dialog prompt 
             > telling him/her that the Templates folder has been renamed to 
             > Stationery.) Or we simply create a new "Stationery" folder 
without 
             > doing anything. This might create some confusions to the user. 
For 
             > imap, I don't think we want to rename the Templates folder into 
             > Stationery. I guess we could just use whatever the pref point to 
it. 
             > 
             > I have a suggestion that we leave the way it is as we have done 
in 4.x 
             > not changing the name from "Templates" to "Stationery." Comments? 
             > 
             > -- Jeff 
             > 
             > Seth Spitzer wrote: 
             > 
             > > I'm just getting caught up on this bug. 
             > > 
             > > what are the migration issues? 
             > > 
             > > does the templates folder in 4.x just become a regular folder 
in 
             > > 5.0? 
             > > 
             > > right now, when we migrate, the stationery folder prefs point 
to the 
             > > 4.x 
             > > "Templates" folder. 
             > > 
             > > I can easily switch them to point to a folder named 
"Stationery". 
             > > 
             > > Has this all been thought out? 
             > > 
             > > -Seth 
             > > 
             > > Jeff Tsai wrote: 
             > > > 
             > > >  Bugzilla bug 31061 -- "Stationery" not being used 
consistently 
             > > > instead of "Template" 
             > > > 
             > > > Let me know. Thanks. 
             > > > 
             > > > Seth, I am leaving the migration issues for you to deal with. 
             > > > 
             > > > -- Jeff

       -- 
       Sol Goldfarb 
       Group Product Manager, Netscape Client Product Marketing 
       Telephone: [phone] 
       AIM Screen Name: nscpgold

    -- 
    Sol Goldfarb 
    Group Product Manager, Netscape Client Product Marketing 
    Telephone: [phone] 
    AIM Screen Name: nscpgold 
     

Comment 9

[jglick]

Agreed that we will go with Option 2.  Use the term "Templates" instead of 
"Stationery".

Keep the term "Templates".  It is located in the "Local Folders" area. 
American Greetings will supply some defaults. When a user migrates, the 
"Templates" folder and contents would be brought over and associated with the 
specific account it came from. 

Can this bug be used for the OPPOSITE now, to change the places in the product 
that say "Stationery" to now say "Template"?  Or do we need a new bug?

Comment 10

[jefft]

Yes, please.

Comment 11

[Ninoschka Baca]

Verified Invalid.
I'll open a new bug to track the term "Template" to be used instead of 
Stationery.