311906 - "Download all accounts", Connect to T-Online

Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 556272

(Thunderbird :: Account Manager, defect)

Description

[Ulf Zibis]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-DE; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050919 Firefox/1.0.7
Build Identifier: Thunderbird Version 1.0.7 (20050923)

Some mail-servers, such as the popular "pop.t-online.de", allow access only, if
user is connected to internet via T-Online account.
Please add config item, to automatically start a WAN-connection before
connecting to the mail-server, and deconnect after complete transfer ?
I am connected to the internet via a DSL-rooter, which has the ability to dial
through to connect temporarily via my T-Online account.
More hints in german:
http://www.thunderbird-mail.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=67022#67022

Reproducible: Always




in german: http://www.thunderbird-mail.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=67022#67022

Comment 1

[Ray Booysen]

How does this bug depend on Bug #108887 and Bug #153300 ?  They have no
correlation with this bug. 
Please can you remove these dependencies.

And can you please use a newer version of Thunderbird before reporting bugs.

Thanks! :)

Comment 2

[Ulf Zibis]

I took bug 108877 for another bug, which I can't find now. Sorry for the error.
Bug 153300 I misunderstood. It deals with news server accounts, and not with
provider accounts.

I use Thunderbird 1.0.7. Isn't this the newest?

Comment 3

[Ray Booysen]

Nope, currently 1.5 beta 2 is the latest but it would be a better idea and you
should be using nightly compiles for bug reporting purposes. At the bottom of
this page: http://www.mozilla.org/developer/ is a link to the nightly versions
of firefox.

Comment 4

[Ulf Zibis]

Because I use Thunderbird for my correspondance, and not for experimental usage,
I hesitate to use nightly builds.
But is there any new feature in 1.5 which serves my enhencement?

Comment 5

[Ray Booysen]

Not certain on any enhancements in 1.5 and any nightlies but the only way to
make sure that the bug has not already been fixed is to use the newest version
available.

Comment 6

[Ulf Zibis]

Hi developers,

I still see this problem. There is no way to associate an email account to an explicit WAN/DSL-account.

To work around, I need to manually connect and deconnect to the alternative DSL-account.

Regards,
Ulf 

Comment 7

[Wayne Mery (:wsmwk)]

Henrik, thoughts?

Comment 8

[Henrik Skupin [:whimboo][⌚️UTC+1]]

Ulf, I believe you are directly connected to the DSL modem and you have different network settings? The forum post from comment 0 is not available anymore. Do you have another resource for additional information?

Comment 9

[Ulf Zibis]

Hi,

I use Fritz!Box 7170. This is DSL-router and DSL-modem in once.
I'm normally connected to the internet via the router automatical login to my "standard" ISP, but when accessing my T-Online account from Thunderbird, I have to temporarily login at the T-Online ISP via the modem functionality.
The DSL-router/modem is directly connected to my computer via ethernet 100 MBit/s.

Hope, that helps,
-Ulf

Comment 10

[Henrik Skupin [:whimboo][⌚️UTC+1]]

This is not a feature of an email client. At least it should be aware of your online state and bring up a connection dialog with possible ISP's. But as long as your are connected to your router a network connection is available.

In your special case you are affected by a limitation of t-online. They prevent direct POP3/SMTP access if you are not connected via t-com. If you are using a connection via another ISP you will need an extra email package. See the following link:

http://hilfe.telekom.de/hsp/cms/content/HSP/de/3378/theme-45858870/theme-45858718/theme-45858716/theme-45858715/faq-55744701

Wayne, I don't really know how good the offline/online capabilities of Thunderbird are in choosing different ISP's if no connection is available. Do we bring up the connection dialog or simply fail for non-dialin connections?

Comment 11

[Ulf Zibis]

Thanks for looking at this.
I know about the email package, but the money, they want for, is not appropriate.

Maybe T-Online is the only ISP on the world which has such an limitation, but if not, I think, it would be worth to have such a comfortable automatic from Thunderbird side.

Comment 12

[Henrik Skupin [:whimboo][⌚️UTC+1]]

You should better think about using one of the other free webmail services which exists like GMX, Web.de, and others. If you only concern about the email which will be sent by T-Online just forward it.

Mark, IMO this is a Wontfix. Can you make the final decision please? Thanks.

Comment 13

[[:Aureliano Buendía]]

Maybe :BenB can say a final word on this.

xref bug #556267 ?

Comment 14

[Ben Bucksch (:BenB)]

> Maybe T-Online is the only ISP on the world which has such an limitation

Yes, so far, it's the only one I know. (Many limit SMTP servers, but that has other reasons and can be worked around with third party servers.)

Try the following server when *not* connected to your ISP:
POP3 server, hostname securepop.t-online.de, Port 995, SSL, Username: Your email address. This may or may not work.

If I remember correctly (I am not 100% sure anymore), t-online.de allows forwarding of mails. It has a setting somewhere in on their webmail or web config site where you can enter an address where all your t-online.de mail is forwarded to. So, just create a fastmail.fm or web.de account and forward mail there.

I know Outlook Express can create a Windows dialup connection when accessing certain servers, but I consider this a feature of the 1990s and dying out. In fact, it confuses users who don't need it. I think it would not make sense to add it now. So, I agree this is WONTFIX. We should rather convince those ISPs to open their mail servers.