368309 - french spell checker incorreclty reports uppercazed word as incorrect because of accented characters

Status: RESOLVED INVALID

(Mozilla Localizations :: fr / French, defect)

Description

[Fabrice Harari]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061204 Firefox/2.0.0.1
Build Identifier: version 1.5.0.9 (20061207)

in French, the word être(FYI: means 'to be') needs one accented e, but ONLY in lowercase. The same word is written in uppercases as ETRE (in fact , French language doesn't have ACCENTED UPPERCASED LETTERS)...

Currently, ETRE (which is correct) is reported as incorrect, an done of the proposal is ÊTRE, which is totally incorrect. 

The problem is the same with all accented letters.

To summarize:
etre: incorrect, reported as incorrect...
être: correct, reported as correct...
ETRE: correct, reported as incorrect
ÊTRE: incorrect, reported as correct



Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. type uppecased word containing accented letters in lowercase
2.
3.
Actual Results:  
the uppercased words in question are ncorrectly signaled as containing speeling errors:
etre: incorrect, reported as incorrect...
être: correct, reported as correct...
ETRE: correct, reported as incorrect
ÊTRE: incorrect, reported as correct



Expected Results:  
etre: should be reported as incorrect (ok)
être: should be reported as correct (ok)
ETRE: should be reported as correct (problem)
ÊTRE: should be reported as incorrect (problem)

Comment 1

[Frédéric Chateaux]

Invalid bug.

etre: incorrect, reported as incorrect
être: correct, reported as correct
ETRE: incorrect, reported as incorrect
ÊTRE: correct, reported as correct

This dictionary works fine.

French uppercase letters MUST be accentuated. Please refere to the http://www.eyrolles.com/Accueil/Livre/9782743304829/livre-lexique-des-regles-typographiques-en-usage-a-l-imprimerie-nationale.php

Have a look at your Larousse and Petit Robert dictionaries. All uppercase letters are accentuated.

Comment 2

[Bugzilla FR]

As said Frederic invalid.

Comment 3

[Benoit]

(In reply to comment #0)
> (in fact , French
> language doesn't have ACCENTED UPPERCASED LETTERS)...

I don't know where you got this idea. Take for exmple a look on the ISO-8859-1
character table — see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-1#Code_table
and you'll see a lot of accented uppercase letters (codes C0 to DF). You even
happened to use some in your answer.

> Currently, ETRE (which is correct) is reported as incorrect, an done of the
> proposal is ÊTRE, which is totally incorrect. 

It is actually the other way around.
Here is the advice from the Académie française, the standardization body for
the French language:
http://www.academie-francaise.fr/langue/questions.html#accentuation

You will find mode information on
http://www.langue-fr.net/d/maj_accent/maj_accent.htm and
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_des_majuscules_en_fran%C3%A7ais

Comment 4

[Fabrice Harari]

Hi everybody...

I'm happy to see that I'm wrong, at least according to the French academy... BUT, I'm afraid the French academy doesn't work on computers very often, and according to my keyboard, I'm right...

One of you was pointing the fact that I used an accented character in my report... Yes, I used one, the ONLY one I can type on my keyboard Ê.

Now let's take another example, TRES is signaled by the spell checker as being incorrect BUT:
- The correct version (according to the French academy) is NOT proposed in the list of possible corrections
- I cannot type it anyway, as this character is NOT on the French (AZERTY) keyboard.

So, I understand your arguments, and you are it seems perfectly right... Nevertheless, this spell checker should not signal these words as incorrect. We do not live in a perfect world, and our keyboards are what they are.

Best regards


(In reply to comment #3)
> (In reply to comment #0)
> > (in fact , French
> > language doesn't have ACCENTED UPPERCASED LETTERS)...
> 
> I don't know where you got this idea. Take for exmple a look on the ISO-8859-1
> character table — see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-1#Code_table
> and you'll see a lot of accented uppercase letters (codes C0 to DF). You even
> happened to use some in your answer.
> 
> > Currently, ETRE (which is correct) is reported as incorrect, an done of the
> > proposal is ÊTRE, which is totally incorrect. 
> 
> It is actually the other way around.
> Here is the advice from the Académie française, the standardization body for
> the French language:
> http://www.academie-francaise.fr/langue/questions.html#accentuation
> 
> You will find mode information on
> http://www.langue-fr.net/d/maj_accent/maj_accent.htm and
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_des_majuscules_en_fran%C3%A7ais
> 

Comment 5

[Benoit]

(In reply to comment #4)
> - The correct version (according to the French academy) is NOT proposed in the
> list of possible corrections

There are a lot of known problems with the current suggestions. Suggestions for short words like "tres" or "deja" are wrong, even in lower case. 

This is probably related to bug #335813, which will hopefully be partially fixed by the switch to the Hunspell engine. For example, "tres"->"très" is already found by OpenOffice.org (although not perfectly yet, it is far down in the results).